RE: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations

["Rachel Foerster" <rachelf@ix.netcom.com>]

Quite frankly I see no reason why an organization couldn't be viewed/treated
the same as an individual. In other words, both entities are "parties."
Since when do we have to count noses? If an organization
comments/participates that's great, but the same goes for individuals.

Why don't we agree that individual = organization and not get caught up in
trying to count individual people. This is consistent with the way X12
works. The "member" is either an individual (independent member) or an
organization. If an organization, then there are designated voting
representatives. Each carries equal weight in any "voting." Further, what's
so bad if more than one individual (person) from the same organization
wishes to comment. The more ideas and input into our work products the
better the end product will be, dont you think?

Rachel


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> As a mostly reader of these messages (and an X12 member) I
> can only provide a
> word of caution on what you are discussing and the potential
> harm to the
> progress and initiative you are achieving.  You are saying
> that only individuals
> participate in ebXML.  My interest to follow your work was
> based on it being
> sanctioned by OASIS, X12 and CEFACT.
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> This thread is very disconcerting.  You should come up with a
> mechanism to
> digest the feedback of organizations.  It is a wonderful
> opportunity to add them
> to the list of groups sanctioning your work.  As long as an
> organized way is
> developed to process the input and feedback a reply and
> acknowledgement.  You
> may want to constrain the list to "user communities" as
> opposed to corporations.
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> Please do not reply to these people that "you have to be an
> individual member."
> That means you are saying "organizations" can't be members.
> Your web site and
> all your press releases talk all about the "organizations"
> that are coming
> together as ebXML.  Would you remove those references as well.
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> They are comming to the table.  This is great!  Just set some
> rules for an
> organization to participate.  Take advantage of their
> infrastruture.   Make them
> do the legwork to do a qualified submission.  Set the rules
> for what is a
> "qualified" submission.  Make them say that if you agree to
> work on their
> qualified submission that they are endorsing your effort.
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> It seems pretty straight forward.  Welcome the organizations,
> or tell them they
> can't participate.  Saying they can't participate means you
> need to update a lot
> of your PR material.  I for one thought there was some type
> of  X12 delegate.
> ebXML becomes a whole different entity if all the X12 members
> here are here as
> individuals.  I would tend to focus a lot more on the domain
> names on the e-mail
> addresses in that case.
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> Sorry for interrupting!
> John Motley
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> "Rachel Foerster" <rachelf@ix.netcom.com> on 03/28/2000 04:20:53 PM
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> Please respond to rachelf@ix.netcom.com
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> To:   "'Mark CRAWFORD'" <mcrawfor@lmi.org>,
> rawlins@metronet.com, lms@wwnet.com
> cc:   sutor@us.ibm.com, anders.grangard@edifrance.org,
>       annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com, bill.smith@sun.com,
>       dick.raman@cab-edi.net, drummond@onramp.net,
> duane@xmlglobal.com,
>       klaus@templar.net, plevine@telcordia.com,
> raywalker@attglobal.net,
>       scott.nieman@NorstanConsulting.com,
>       ebXML-Requirements@lists.oasis-open.org (bcc:
> jmotley/Globaltechltd)
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> Subject:  RE: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations
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> I concur with Mark's comments. We would only be opening a big
> can of worms
> otherwise.
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> Rachel
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark CRAWFORD [mailto:mcrawfor@lmi.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:10 PM
> > To: rawlins@metronet.com; lms@wwnet.com
> > Cc: sutor@us.ibm.com; anders.grangard@edifrance.org;
> > annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com; bill.smith@sun.com;
> > dick.raman@cab-edi.net; drummond@onramp.net; duane@xmlglobal.com;
> > klaus@templar.net; plevine@telcordia.com; rachelf@ix.netcom.com;
> > raywalker@attglobal.net; scott.nieman@NorstanConsulting.com;
> > ebXML-Requirements@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re:ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations
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> > Mike,
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> >     Klaus has made it very clear that participation in
> ebXML is at the
> > individual level. It has also been said that review of the
> > ebXML technical
> > specifications is open to all ebXML participants.  As such,
> > submissions should
> > only be from individuals, not organizations - and individual
> > submissions should
> > be given equal weight.
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> >     As you know, organizational representation and
> > submissions has been a
> > contentious issue.  There are certain members of ebXML that
> > feel that X12 should
> > have "official" representation.  There are an equal number of
> > EWG members and
> > work groups that feel the same way.  My sense is that we
> > would do well to stay
> > with what Klaus has stated - participation is at the individual not
> > organizational level.
> >
> >     Mark
> > Mark Crawford
> > Research Fellow
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