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Subject: RE: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations

As a mostly reader of these messages (and an X12 member) I can only provide a
word of caution on what you are discussing and the potential harm to the
progress and initiative you are achieving.  You are saying that only individuals
participate in ebXML.  My interest to follow your work was based on it being
sanctioned by OASIS, X12 and CEFACT.

This thread is very disconcerting.  You should come up with a mechanism to
digest the feedback of organizations.  It is a wonderful opportunity to add them
to the list of groups sanctioning your work.  As long as an organized way is
developed to process the input and feedback a reply and acknowledgement.  You
may want to constrain the list to "user communities" as opposed to corporations.

Please do not reply to these people that "you have to be an individual member."
That means you are saying "organizations" can't be members.  Your web site and
all your press releases talk all about the "organizations" that are coming
together as ebXML.  Would you remove those references as well.

They are comming to the table.  This is great!  Just set some rules for an
organization to participate.  Take advantage of their infrastruture.   Make them
do the legwork to do a qualified submission.  Set the rules for what is a
"qualified" submission.  Make them say that if you agree to work on their
qualified submission that they are endorsing your effort.

It seems pretty straight forward.  Welcome the organizations, or tell them they
can't participate.  Saying they can't participate means you need to update a lot
of your PR material.  I for one thought there was some type of  X12 delegate.
ebXML becomes a whole different entity if all the X12 members here are here as
individuals.  I would tend to focus a lot more on the domain names on the e-mail
addresses in that case.

Sorry for interrupting!
John Motley

"Rachel Foerster" <rachelf@ix.netcom.com> on 03/28/2000 04:20:53 PM

Please respond to rachelf@ix.netcom.com

To:   "'Mark CRAWFORD'" <mcrawfor@lmi.org>, rawlins@metronet.com, lms@wwnet.com
cc:   sutor@us.ibm.com, anders.grangard@edifrance.org,
      annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com, bill.smith@sun.com,
      dick.raman@cab-edi.net, drummond@onramp.net, duane@xmlglobal.com,
      klaus@templar.net, plevine@telcordia.com, raywalker@attglobal.net,
      ebXML-Requirements@lists.oasis-open.org (bcc: jmotley/Globaltechltd)

Subject:  RE: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations

I concur with Mark's comments. We would only be opening a big can of worms


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark CRAWFORD [mailto:mcrawfor@lmi.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:10 PM
> To: rawlins@metronet.com; lms@wwnet.com
> Cc: sutor@us.ibm.com; anders.grangard@edifrance.org;
> annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com; bill.smith@sun.com;
> dick.raman@cab-edi.net; drummond@onramp.net; duane@xmlglobal.com;
> klaus@templar.net; plevine@telcordia.com; rachelf@ix.netcom.com;
> raywalker@attglobal.net; scott.nieman@NorstanConsulting.com;
> ebXML-Requirements@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re:ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations
> Mike,
>     Klaus has made it very clear that participation in ebXML is at the
> individual level. It has also been said that review of the
> ebXML technical
> specifications is open to all ebXML participants.  As such,
> submissions should
> only be from individuals, not organizations - and individual
> submissions should
> be given equal weight.
>     As you know, organizational representation and
> submissions has been a
> contentious issue.  There are certain members of ebXML that
> feel that X12 should
> have "official" representation.  There are an equal number of
> EWG members and
> work groups that feel the same way.  My sense is that we
> would do well to stay
> with what Klaus has stated - participation is at the individual not
> organizational level.
>     Mark
> Mark Crawford
> Research Fellow
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> (703) 917-7177   Fax (703) 917-7518
> mcrawfor@lmi.org
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