Re: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations

[Mike Rawlins <rawlins@metronet.com>]

I did not mean to turn this question into a debate on the listserv - I only wanted
some first impressions.  Kyle, thanks for your suggestion.  I'm sure we will discuss
it when this topic is discussed in the steering committee.

Mike

kyle.hurst@expeditors.com wrote:

> Yup.  As I mentioned, there are definitely difficulties with it, which could be
> likened to quicksand.  But, by not doing something along those lines, it is no
> longer an individual based system, either.
>
> If we are talking about democracy here where each individual gets a vote, we are
> now looking at the same reasons why the electoral ballot system was designed, to
> make actual ideas and votes manageable while still accounting for the varying
> populations of each state.  The group theory serves for keeping down the number
> of E-mails being sent so that the ideas and decision of 20 people can be
> encapsulated in a single E-mail on a single account.  My suggestion is that we
> recognize that E-mail as 20, instead of one.
>
> Possible suggestions for tracking this would be a) a quick survey for the
> existing members and b) a new question during sign in for the newer members.
> I'm not familiar with how "vote" weighing is currently done, but I'm sure a
> solution could be designed which is both fair and effective.
>
> Best regards,
> ______________________________________
> Kyle M. Hurst
> Senior EDI Coordinator
> Expeditors International
>
> voice:  206-674-6524
> fax: 206-246-3197
> e-mail:  kyle.hurst@expeditors.com
>
> Please respond to rachelf@ix.netcom.com
>
> To:   Kyle Hurst/IS/Expeditors, rawlins@metronet.com
> cc:   lms@wwnet.com, sutor@us.ibm.com, anders.grangard@edifrance.org,
>       annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com, bill.smith@sun.com,
>       dick.raman@cab-edi.net, drummond@onramp.net, duane@xmlglobal.com,
>       klaus@templar.net, plevine@telcordia.com, raywalker@attglobal.net,
>       scott.nieman@NorstanConsulting.com, "'List, ebXML Requirements'"
>       <ebXML-Requirements@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Subject:  RE: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations
>
> I don't believe that Kyle's proposal is workable...there is simply no
> realistic nor reliable way to ascertain the number of individuals within an
> organization that one should count. How would one count X12, for example?
> This path is a huge pit of quicksand.
>
> Rachel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kyle.hurst@expeditors.com [mailto:kyle.hurst@expeditors.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 2:16 PM
> > To: rawlins@metronet.com
> > Cc: lms@wwnet.com; sutor@us.ibm.com; anders.grangard@edifrance.org;
> > annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com; bill.smith@sun.com;
> > dick.raman@cab-edi.net; drummond@onramp.net; duane@xmlglobal.com;
> > klaus@templar.net; plevine@telcordia.com; rachelf@ix.netcom.com;
> > raywalker@attglobal.net; scott.nieman@NorstanConsulting.com;
> > List, ebXML
> > Requirements
> > Subject: Re: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I'm new to the group, but I think that I have a potential
> > solution.  In the area
> > where there is a group, we could determine how many people
> > comprise that group
> > and a suggestion from them would count for 'x' number of
> > individuals.  This, of
> > course, wouldn't apply to how many people work at the
> > company, only those
> > directly related to the ebXML initiative.
> >
> > There are holes and difficulties with this solution, but I
> > think that overall it
> > will be pretty fair.  After all just because I work at the
> > same place as five
> > other folks involved with ebXML shouldn't mean that all five
> > of us only count as
> > one vote.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > ______________________________________
> > Kyle M. Hurst
> > Senior EDI Coordinator
> > Expeditors International
> >
> > voice:  206-674-6524
> > fax: 206-246-3197
> > e-mail:  kyle.hurst@expeditors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Please respond to rawlins@metronet.com
> >
> > To:   lms@wwnet.com
> > cc:   sutor@us.ibm.com, anders.grangard@edifrance.org,
> >       annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com, bill.smith@sun.com,
> >       dick.raman@cab-edi.net, drummond@onramp.net,
> > duane@xmlglobal.com,
> >       klaus@templar.net, plevine@telcordia.com, rachelf@ix.netcom.com,
> >       raywalker@attglobal.net,
> > scott.nieman@NorstanConsulting.com, "List, ebXML
> >       Requirements" <ebXML-Requirements@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > (bcc: Kyle
> >       Hurst/IS/Expeditors)
> > Subject:  ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like some guidance about how to deal with
> > specification comments
> > received from an organization.   It is clear that ebXML membership and
> > voting is by individual, the group being composed of individual
> > "experts".    However, comments on specifications are not quite so
> > clear.  Most of the comments on the ebXML Requirements Specification
> > came from individuals.   We did receive one submission from
> > CEN/ISSS as
> > an organization commenting.   I think it appropriate to review the
> > comments, but I find the submission somewhat troublesome.
> > Are we under
> > any obligation to give the comments more weight than others
> > because they
> > came from a group?   Should we treat them as just another individual
> > commenting?  Or, should we not consider their comments since we are
> > functioning as individuals?   (NOTE:  I don't see this as a
> > problem with
> > comments submitted by other ebXML project teams, particularly
> > when they
> > relate directly to their respective requirements in the
> > specification).
> >
> > I feel certain that we will run into this again as the other
> > specifications are released for comment.  So,  I think it
> > important that
> > we decide on a policy soon and clearly articulate it.  I would like to
> > see some first impressions on the listserv, but ask Klaus and
> > Bob to put
> > this on the agenda for our next steering committee call.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --
> > Michael C. Rawlins, Rawlins EDI Consulting
> > http://www.metronet.com/~rawlins/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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