RE: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations

["Coffman, Steven D" <steven.coffman@eds.com>]

Mike,
Your "key" word here was Committee. Even our democracy decisions are made by
a committee of elected representatives that (well in an ideal democracy)
weigh all considerations of their constituents and review those thoughts
with the committee. The committee whether elected or not should then make a
decision and move forward. A review of the decisions should be made if too
many questions/problems occur. Everyone on the ebXML should be able to give
input to pertinent suggestions but waiting for individual votes would bog
down the process of getting this up and running. e-Business is a fast paced
arena that needs decisions now and not tied up in "legislation for votes".

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rawlins [mailto:rawlins@metronet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 8:44 AM
To: kyle.hurst@expeditors.com
Cc: rachelf@ix.netcom.com; lms@wwnet.com; sutor@us.ibm.com;
anders.grangard@edifrance.org; annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com;
bill.smith@sun.com; dick.raman@cab-edi.net; drummond@onramp.net;
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raywalker@attglobal.net; scott.nieman@NorstanConsulting.com; 'List,
ebXML Requirements'
Subject: Re: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations


I did not mean to turn this question into a debate on the listserv - I only
wanted
some first impressions.  Kyle, thanks for your suggestion.  I'm sure we will
discuss
it when this topic is discussed in the steering committee.

Mike

kyle.hurst@expeditors.com wrote:

> Yup.  As I mentioned, there are definitely difficulties with it, which
could be
> likened to quicksand.  But, by not doing something along those lines, it
is no
> longer an individual based system, either.
>
> If we are talking about democracy here where each individual gets a vote,
we are
> now looking at the same reasons why the electoral ballot system was
designed, to
> make actual ideas and votes manageable while still accounting for the
varying
> populations of each state.  The group theory serves for keeping down the
number
> of E-mails being sent so that the ideas and decision of 20 people can be
> encapsulated in a single E-mail on a single account.  My suggestion is
that we
> recognize that E-mail as 20, instead of one.
>
> Possible suggestions for tracking this would be a) a quick survey for the
> existing members and b) a new question during sign in for the newer
members.
> I'm not familiar with how "vote" weighing is currently done, but I'm sure
a
> solution could be designed which is both fair and effective.
>
> Best regards,
> ______________________________________
> Kyle M. Hurst
> Senior EDI Coordinator
> Expeditors International
>
> voice:  206-674-6524
> fax: 206-246-3197
> e-mail:  kyle.hurst@expeditors.com
>
> Please respond to rachelf@ix.netcom.com
>
> To:   Kyle Hurst/IS/Expeditors, rawlins@metronet.com
> cc:   lms@wwnet.com, sutor@us.ibm.com, anders.grangard@edifrance.org,
>       annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com, bill.smith@sun.com,
>       dick.raman@cab-edi.net, drummond@onramp.net, duane@xmlglobal.com,
>       klaus@templar.net, plevine@telcordia.com, raywalker@attglobal.net,
>       scott.nieman@NorstanConsulting.com, "'List, ebXML Requirements'"
>       <ebXML-Requirements@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Subject:  RE: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations
>
> I don't believe that Kyle's proposal is workable...there is simply no
> realistic nor reliable way to ascertain the number of individuals within
an
> organization that one should count. How would one count X12, for example?
> This path is a huge pit of quicksand.
>
> Rachel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kyle.hurst@expeditors.com [mailto:kyle.hurst@expeditors.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 2:16 PM
> > To: rawlins@metronet.com
> > Cc: lms@wwnet.com; sutor@us.ibm.com; anders.grangard@edifrance.org;
> > annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com; bill.smith@sun.com;
> > dick.raman@cab-edi.net; drummond@onramp.net; duane@xmlglobal.com;
> > klaus@templar.net; plevine@telcordia.com; rachelf@ix.netcom.com;
> > raywalker@attglobal.net; scott.nieman@NorstanConsulting.com;
> > List, ebXML
> > Requirements
> > Subject: Re: ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I'm new to the group, but I think that I have a potential
> > solution.  In the area
> > where there is a group, we could determine how many people
> > comprise that group
> > and a suggestion from them would count for 'x' number of
> > individuals.  This, of
> > course, wouldn't apply to how many people work at the
> > company, only those
> > directly related to the ebXML initiative.
> >
> > There are holes and difficulties with this solution, but I
> > think that overall it
> > will be pretty fair.  After all just because I work at the
> > same place as five
> > other folks involved with ebXML shouldn't mean that all five
> > of us only count as
> > one vote.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > ______________________________________
> > Kyle M. Hurst
> > Senior EDI Coordinator
> > Expeditors International
> >
> > voice:  206-674-6524
> > fax: 206-246-3197
> > e-mail:  kyle.hurst@expeditors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Please respond to rawlins@metronet.com
> >
> > To:   lms@wwnet.com
> > cc:   sutor@us.ibm.com, anders.grangard@edifrance.org,
> >       annabelle.bullen@us.pwcglobal.com, bill.smith@sun.com,
> >       dick.raman@cab-edi.net, drummond@onramp.net,
> > duane@xmlglobal.com,
> >       klaus@templar.net, plevine@telcordia.com, rachelf@ix.netcom.com,
> >       raywalker@attglobal.net,
> > scott.nieman@NorstanConsulting.com, "List, ebXML
> >       Requirements" <ebXML-Requirements@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > (bcc: Kyle
> >       Hurst/IS/Expeditors)
> > Subject:  ebXML Question re: Comments by Organizations
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like some guidance about how to deal with
> > specification comments
> > received from an organization.   It is clear that ebXML membership and
> > voting is by individual, the group being composed of individual
> > "experts".    However, comments on specifications are not quite so
> > clear.  Most of the comments on the ebXML Requirements Specification
> > came from individuals.   We did receive one submission from
> > CEN/ISSS as
> > an organization commenting.   I think it appropriate to review the
> > comments, but I find the submission somewhat troublesome.
> > Are we under
> > any obligation to give the comments more weight than others
> > because they
> > came from a group?   Should we treat them as just another individual
> > commenting?  Or, should we not consider their comments since we are
> > functioning as individuals?   (NOTE:  I don't see this as a
> > problem with
> > comments submitted by other ebXML project teams, particularly
> > when they
> > relate directly to their respective requirements in the
> > specification).
> >
> > I feel certain that we will run into this again as the other
> > specifications are released for comment.  So,  I think it
> > important that
> > we decide on a policy soon and clearly articulate it.  I would like to
> > see some first impressions on the listserv, but ask Klaus and
> > Bob to put
> > this on the agenda for our next steering committee call.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --
> > Michael C. Rawlins, Rawlins EDI Consulting
> > http://www.metronet.com/~rawlins/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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