RE: Core Components

[Rachel Foerster <rachelf@ix.netcom.com>]

Mike,

I don't share your perspective about Scott's message nor what you perceive
to be the tone of his message. Furthermore, I also don't agree that
discussion of this topic/issue is out of scope for this listserv. This IS
the ebXML Steering Committee listserv, is it not? I think that an airing of
perspectives, viewpoints, and/or concerns here is not only appropriate but
should be encouraged. This doesn't mean that I disagree that the discussion
should continue at the SJ StC meeting, but I think some good
pre-face-to-face information exchanges can and should take place in this
venue as well.

Rachel

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Mike Rawlins [mailto:rawlins@metronet.com]
|Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:41 AM
|To: Nieman, Scott
|Cc: 'mblantz@LTVSteel.com'; ebXML-StC@lists.ebxml.org
|Subject: Re: Core Components
|
|
|The turns this discussion has taken have only lead me to
|conclude that I was on
|target in suggesting that this discussion might be better
|pursued in a different
|forum.   I find the tone of Scott's response below to be inappropriate,
|counter-productive, and somewhat offensive, containing what I
|read as an implied
|assumption that the CC team doesn't know what it is doing and
|isn't listening to
|anyone.  I thought we cleared that up on Thursday at the
|Brussels meeting, but
|evidently not.   For Scott and others who apparently still
|have issue with CC
|direction, please talk less about what you think they ought to
|be doing and
|listen more to what they actually are doing.
|
|Again, if you want to pursue this further, I strongly suggest
|that we do it face
|to face at the Sunday afternoon meeting in San Jose, and not
|on this listserv.
|
|
|"Nieman, Scott" wrote:
|
|> Scott Hinkelman of IBM helped put together the CBO
|definition.  Also, the SF
|> project CBOs can be found and downloaded free from the web.
|I will try to
|> find the URL to that...if someone has it at the fingertips
|and can forward
|> it before I do, go for it.  Between the SF CBO, and their
|IAA patterns
|> (presented at X12), we have great references to look at.  I
|suppose this is
|> old news for CC since they were asked to look at these from
|day one at the
|> San Jose kickoff meeting.
|>
|> Scott
|>
|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: mblantz@LTVSteel.com [mailto:mblantz@LTVSteel.com]
|> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:23 PM
|> To: rachelf@ix.netcom.com
|> Cc: ebXML-StC@lists.ebxml.org
|> Subject: RE: Core Components
|>
|> Rachel, and all,
|>
|> We learned today on the BP/CC Alignment Team Conference Call
|that this
|> confusion goes both ways.
|>
|> Several of us have asked for the same precise definition of a Common
|> Business
|> Object, and haven't gotten what we think are clear answers.
|However, we
|> think
|> that we've been very clear about Smart Core Components!  I
|suspect that the
|> people who talk about CBOs think they've been clear.
|>
|> In any case, you'll be pleased to know that our alignment
|team has taken on
|> this
|> two-sided challenge and will have something for our review
|and edification
|> in
|> San Jose.
|>
|> I trust you are asking about this for your Project Team's
|activities, which
|> certainly
|> is important.  Since we on Core Components are doing some
|innovative and
|> exciting work, it will be great to see it get some press.
|>
|> Mary Kay
|>
|> Rachel Foerster <rachelf@ix.netcom.com> on 07/25/2000 03:17:37 PM
|>
|> Please respond to rachelf@ix.netcom.com
|>
|> To:   "'ebXML-StC'" <ebXML-StC@lists.ebxml.org>
|> cc:    (bcc: Mary K Blantz/CLGO/LTV)
|> Subject:  RE: oops - attachment
|>
|> Duane,
|>
|> A small grammatical correction: you use the contraction it's
|(which actually
|> = it is) when you should be using the possessive form if it
|(its) - see the
|> last slide.
|>
|> Also, is anyone else concerned about the lack of clarity for core
|> components. I think we must have a clear, concise,
|unambiguous definition of
|> an ebXML core component going in to the San Jose meeting and
|the ebXML Boot
|> Camp.
|>
|> Rachel
|>
|> |-----Original Message-----
|> |From: Duane Nickull [mailto:duane@xmlglobal.com]
|> |Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 12:44 PM
|> |To: ebXML-StC
|> |Subject: oops - attachment
|> |
|> |
|> |here it is for download
|> |
|> |http://www.sombrioracing.com/ebxml/
|> |
|> |D-
|>
|>
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|>
|> Subject: IBM SF Info
|> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:27:53 -0500
|> From: srh@us.ibm.com
|> To: ebxml-bp@lists.ebxml.org, ebxml-core@lists.ebxml.org
|>
|> On today's BP call, there was discussion on CBOs and CCs, along with
|> discusion
|> about CBOs in IBM's SanFrancisco. Here is an overview of SF
|that should
|> help.
|> SF has core roots in OMG standards, and has been recognized as the
|> first project to extend Java content upward toward business
|solutions.
|> I can share more if needed, and discuss further in SJ.
|>
|> (See attached file: SFInfo.zip)
|> Thanks,
|> Scott Hinkelman
|> Senior Software Engineer, SWG IBM Austin
|> 512-823-8097 (TL 793-8097) (Cell: 512-940-0519)
|> srh@us.ibm.com, Fax: 512-838-1074
|>
|>
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|>                     Name: SFInfo.zip
|>    SFInfo.zip       Type: Zip Compressed Data
|(application/x-zip-compressed)
|>                 Encoding: base64
|>              Description: .ZIP File
|
|--
|Michael C. Rawlins, Rawlins EDI Consulting
|http://www.metronet.com/~rawlins/
|
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