Subject: Re: FW: requirements
Sorry, forgot to post my response to the list. Regards, Marty ************************************************************************************* Martin W. Sachs IBM T. J. Watson Research Center P. O. B. 704 Yorktown Hts, NY 10598 914-784-7287; IBM tie line 863-7287 Notes address: Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM Internet address: mwsachs @ us.ibm.com ************************************************************************************* ---------------------- Forwarded by Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM on 09/05/2000 12:12 PM --------------------------- Martin W Sachs 09/05/2000 09:47 AM To: rachelf@ix.netcom.com cc: From: Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM@IBMUS Subject: Re: FW: requirements (Document link: Martin W. Sachs) Rachel, Thanks for your comment. I am sure it will be fodder for discussion in the TP team. I must point out, however, that the cat got out of the bag when IBM made an earlier version of the tpaML proposal publicly available. We have already had comments from lawyers,both positive and the kind you are referring to. A couple of months ago two members of legalXML visited IBM research after seeing the tpaML specification and were interested in the possibilities of including this kind of function in what they are doing. We definitely want to avoid the kind of contentiousness you are talking about and can certainly change the name to protect ourselves. We can also ensure that we don't stray into the non-IT terms and conditions. However, the lawyers are smart enough to recognize that a piece of paper or xml file that documents what two parties have to define in common to communicate is in fact an agreement. I do think that ignoring existing contract specifications such as IEEE 828 will only come back to haunt us. You can run but you can't hide. :-) Regards, Marty ************************************************************************************* Martin W. Sachs IBM T. J. Watson Research Center P. O. B. 704 Yorktown Hts, NY 10598 914-784-7287; IBM tie line 863-7287 Notes address: Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM Internet address: mwsachs @ us.ibm.com ************************************************************************************* Rachel Foerster <rachelf@ix.netcom.com> on 09/04/2000 01:04:33 PM Please respond to rachelf@ix.netcom.com To: "ebXML Trading Partner Agreement (E-mail)" <ebxml-tp@lists.ebxml.org> cc: Subject: FW: requirements Just a very quick comment about the proposed requirements. I am concerned where it seems to stray into the area of establishing "legal" agreements between two trading parties. In the past in a traditional EDI process, whenever "legal" agreements regarding the electronic exchange of information entered into the picture, the lawyers/legal departments got involved. In many cases, this served to "kill" the electronic relationship rather than enhance or facilitate establishing it. Furthermore, even though it might be informative to look at the 838 and other transactions/messages, I remember when the 838 was being developed at X12. It was an extremely contentious, controversial, and conflict-ridden effort that took years for the 838 to finally make it through the full approval process. And now, the U.S. government, which was the driver behind the 838 is discontinuing its use. Reference info inserted below. I would not like to see this effort with ebXML get caught up in this type of quagmire. Furthermore, since the focus for the ebXML TPA is now global, there are all kinds of other "legal" issues from other governments, countries, etc. that could cause the effort to never make it out of the gate. Therefore, I would propose that the initial TPA requirements and ultimately the tpa spec be very basic, simple and without any overt/covert legal implications. Get something out of the gate, approved and in use and then build on it as additional requirements, which can be generalized to a global community, are identified. Rachel > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Meeting Minutes > > JECPO > Central Contractor Registration VAN Meeting > 23 June 2000 > > The JECPO's CCR Van Town Hall Meeting met in Ft. Belvoir, Virginia on 23 > June 2000. CAPT John Mauthe chaired the meeting. > > Summary of Discussions - Version 2.1, 4030, & the Future > > Ms. Hall discussed the introduction of CCR version 2.1 data elements to be > added to CCR. These new elements necessitate upgrading the 838 from 4010 to > 4030. The CCR program anticipates that it will implement the upgrade to > 4030 during the beginning of August, 2000 (stop accepting 4010 838's on 4 > Aug 00 and begin accepting 4030 838's on 7 Aug 00). The 4030 upgrade will > also correct many of the inconsistency issues between the 838 and the CCR > web page. Testing will be available for the VANs prior to this cut-over. > > Additionally, Ms. Hall briefed that, due to planned CCR program processes > improvements (specifically, moving the data validation process to be > on-line), CCR will stop accepting 838's as a method of registration on 8 Jan > 01. At this time, all registrations (new and updates) will be entered > through the web. The VANs questioned the necessity of their community to > upgrade to 4030 if the 838 would stop being accepted in January. Ms. Hall > stated that CCR has to go to 4030 in order to make the implementation > schedule for the new elements, but that it is each VANs business decision > whether or not they wish to upgrade or to stop transmitting 838's to CCR. -----Original Message----- From: Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM [mailto:mwsachs@us.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 2:47 PM To: ebxml-tp@lists.ebxml.org Subject: requirements I took a stab at converting the objectives list into a requirements statement, attached. It is probably too detailed and may require other changes. Please use it as a starting point for the requirements discussion and let's discuss. Regards, Marty (See attached file: partner-requirements.doc) **************************************************************************** ********* Martin W. Sachs IBM T. J. Watson Research Center P. O. B. 704 Yorktown Hts, NY 10598 914-784-7287; IBM tie line 863-7287 Notes address: Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM Internet address: mwsachs @ us.ibm.com **************************************************************************** *********
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