RE: RE: Regarding the Thursday ebXML Conf Call

[David Burdett <david.burdett@commerceone.com>]

Mark

You ask ...
>>>Although I personally can't understand why anyone would want to use an
antiquated technology such as e-mail to forward XML, especially in a
business to
business exchange<<<

Mark, the reason is that it saves businesses money.

For example take one of our clients - General Motors. They have 30,000
suppliers. They do 80% of their business with 20% of their suppliers. The
other 20% of business they do with the other 80% of suppliers (i.e. it's the
usual 80-20 rule). However the smaller suppliers are not automated and cost
a lot in administrative time (i.e. people time) to work with them.

The way big companies like GM save money is by automating document
communications wiht **all** of their suppliers.

... BUT ...

... some of those suppliers are small 1-2 person businesses. They have
neither the skills nor the cost justification to invest in technology to
support on-line real-time HTTP connections. If you're lucky, many of them
now have email account, and if not that then a fax.

So we need to define a "messaging" approach that can scale to work with all
these types of business.

We need to support email for solid business reasons.

David
PS I'm just starting to catch up on my emails.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark CRAWFORD [mailto:mcrawfor@mail.lmi.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 12:29 PM
To: dick@8760.com; kit@mitre.org; drummond@onramp.net;
ebXML-Transport@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: rawlins@metronet.com
Subject: Re:RE: Regarding the Thursday ebXML Conf Call 


Dick,

    What was presented to us during our call today was that you were
selecting
mime as "the" ebXML solution.  If that is not the case, then we don't have
an
issue.  Although I personally can't understand why anyone would want to use
an
antiquated technology such as e-mail to forward XML, especially in a
business to
business exchange, I do see the need to accomodate folks desires.  If on the
other hand, you are selecting mime as "the" ebXML solution, then I think
that
you will loose participation and support of the bulk of the XML community.  

    Mark
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Subject:    RE: Regarding the Thursday ebXML Conf Call 
Author: "Dick Brooks" <dick@8760.com>
Date:       3/2/00 2:12 PM

Rik, it appears the Requirements group needs to be made aware that people
will want to send XML documents via E-mail and E-mail is not a W3C
specification.

Dick


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ebxml-transport@lists.oasis-open.org
[mailto:owner-ebxml-transport@lists.oasis-open.org]On Behalf Of Kit
(Christopher) Lueder
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 1:30 PM
To: Rik Drummond; Ebxml Transport
Cc: Mike Rawlins; Mark CRAWFORD
Subject: Regarding the Thursday ebXML Conf Call


Hi,
Regarding the EBXML Transport/R/P conference today, my understanding is
that the group is pursuing a mime-based envelope structure? I mentioned
that at the EBXML Requirements teleconference, which happened to be
immediately after the TRP teleconf, and they weren't happy about that
direction and hoped the TRP group will revisit that decision. In
particular, it was suggested that there is an EBXML requirement for all
EBXML specifications to be compliant with W3C technical specificatons.
(Though Mike Rawlins said that the transport may be an exception.) I
cite the relevant section from the EBXML Requirements document, which is
to be released to the full EBXML body for review this Monday.

Kit.


1.2.1 ebXML Vision
The ebXML vision is to deliver:

"A single set of internationally agreed upon technical specifications
that consist of common XML semantics and related document structures to
facilitate global trade."

This single set of ebXML technical specifications will create a Single
Global Electronic Market.  To create this single global electronic
market, this single set of ebXML technical specifications:

 - is fully compliant with W3C XML technical specifications holding a
recommended status,
 - provides for interoperability within and between ebXML compliant
trading partner applications,
 -  maximizes interoperability and efficiency while providing a
transition path from accredited electronic data interchange (EDI)
standards and developing XML business standards, and
 - will be submitted to an appropriate internationally recognized
standards body for accreditation as an international standard.



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