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Subject: RE: Re[2]: Trading Partner Logical Identification based on EDIFA
When we decided in Dallas on the term "Message Set" (my suggestion) the intention was merely to give identification within *an undefined context at the time* to that conversation/unit-of-business. I happen to like the term, as it avoids the overloaded *transaction*. There was no further semantic impled, certianly not routing. If we can seperate what/how issues it may help. Scott Hinkelman Senior Software Engineer, IBM Austin Emerging Technologies, SWG 512-823-8097 (TL 793-8097) (Cell: 512-940-0519) srh@us.ibm.com, Fax: 512-838-1074 Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM@IBMUS on 08/16/2000 03:15:12 PM To: David Burdett <david.burdett@commerceone.com> cc: "ebXML Transport (E-mail)" <ebxml-transport@lists.ebxml.org> Subject: RE: Re[2]: Trading Partner Logical Identification based on EDIFA Dave, I haven't been around ebXML long enough to know what the old message set ID is but let me go into conversation ID a little more. A conversation (in tpaML terms) is the two way set of messages comprising a single "unit of business". It's sort of like a session as I think I pointed out in an earlier post about the messaging specification. So I think it is equivalent to what you called a message set ID in your posting. I did point out elsewhere that each party should be allowed to separately identify the conversation and suggested that the existing conversation ID should have separate subelements for the two parties. The reason is that for routing purposes, the conversation ID should be a rapid locator. I suggested that each partner should be allowed to put in whatever it needs for its half of the conversation ID to enable rapid locating. We do use the conversation ID for routing within each party in our IBM Research prototype run-time. I'm not sure that the URI qualifies as a rapid locator though of course using it shouldn't be precluded. The TPA is an identifier of the TPA document itself. The TPA ID identifies the application and pair of parties while the conversation ID identifies a specific conversation. I did err in suggesting that both the TPA ID and the conversation ID are needed for routing. If the conversation ID is unique within one party's messaging system, then conversation ID is the routing quantity and the TPA ID could be part of the state information for the conversation rather than being used for routing. For the greatest implementation flexibility, however, I strongly suggest that the TPA ID also be allowed to be a rapid locator and that each party be allowed to choose its own value for the TPA ID. Clearly, the local TPA IDs could be associated with a global repository ID for the TPA but it's the two local values that should be in the message header to give the best routing implementation flexibility. Regards, Marty ************************************************************************************* IBM T. J. Watson Research Center P. O. B. 704 Yorktown Hts, NY 10598 914-784-7287; IBM tie line 863-7287 Notes address: Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM Internet address: mwsachs @ us.ibm.com ************************************************************************************* David Burdett <david.burdett@commerceone.com> on 08/16/2000 02:27:30 PM To: Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM@IBMUS cc: "ebXML Transport (E-mail)" <ebxml-transport@lists.ebxml.org> Subject: RE: Re[2]: Trading Partner Logical Identification based on EDIFA Marty Somewhere in this text you say ... >>>Again, it is the combination of registry ID, partner ID, TPA ID, and conversation ID that does the routing<<< I'm under the impression that conversation ID is equivalent to what the TRP used to call the Message Set Id which was defined as a unique identifier for the set of messages exchanged between two parties that support the instance of an execution of a service. On the other hand the current spec defines conversationId as a URI which identifies the conversation instance of the Trading Partner Agreement which governs the processing of the message and which holds the state of the conversation between the two Parties I don't think these things are quite the same. Can you clarify the distinction between a TPA Id and a Conversation Id. As if a Conversation Id means the same as the old Message Set Id I don't think it should be used for routing. David -----Original Message----- From: mwsachs@us.ibm.com [mailto:mwsachs@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 3:24 PM To: David RR Webber Cc: Mark NOBLES; ebXML-Transport@lists.ebxml.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: Trading Partner Logical Identification based on EDIFA Quite a flurry of postings! I just got caught up on it. I sense a great deal of violent agreement on the identifier subject. I agree with Mark Nobles' last posting and Dave Webber's agreement with it. Here are a few summary points: <SNIP>
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