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Subject: RE: TC154 vote on NWI - your approval needed


David,

I'm not against 6523, but don't believe it should be used exclusively 
for ebXML.  Indeed, as ebXML will have to deal with EDI, it should be 
supported.

Best regards,
Henry
------------------------------------
At 10:32 AM 12/12/2000 +0000, DDOBBING wrote:
>Henry and William,
>
>By way of background, and to let you know the that ISO 6523 is alive and 
>well.  For EDIFACT, the UNB (Interchange header) uses data element 0007 
>(Identification code qualifier) to qualify 0004 (Interchange sender 
>identification) and 0010 (Interchange recipient identification).
>
>The point here is that the code list for 0007 (see below) is aligned with 
>ISO 6523, and as part maintenance process has its code values assigned by 
>the Maintenance Agency (MA) for ISO 6523.  As you will see in the latest 
>EDIFACT code list below (Oct 2000), there are number of new values 
>(designated with a "+").  These were assigned by the ISO 6523 MA within the 
>last four months. 
>
>Rgds
>David
>
>--- David Dobbing, Data Logistics, ddobbing@attmail.com 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>* 0007  Partner identification code qualifier
>
>  Desc: Qualifier referring to the source of codes for the identifiers
>        of interchanging partners.
>
>  Repr: an..4
>
>   1      DUNS (Data Universal Numbering System)
>             Partner identification code assigned by Dun & Bradstreet.
>   4      IATA (International Air Transport Association)
>             Partner identification code assigned by the International
>             Air Transport Association.
>   5      INSEE (Institut National de la Statistique et des Etudes
>          Economiques) - SIRET
>             French national statistics institute. SIRET means Systeme
>             Informatique du Repertoire des entreprises et de leurs
>             ETablissements.
>   8      UCC Communications ID (Uniform Code Council Communications
>          Identifier)
>             The Uniform Code Council Communications Identifier is a
>             ten digit code used to uniquely identify physical and
>             logical locations.
>   9      DUNS (Data Universal Numbering System) with 4 digit suffix
>             Partner identification code assigned by Dun & Bradstreet
>             with the 4 digit suffix.
>   12     Telephone number
>             Partner identification code corresponds to the partner
>             telephone number.
>   14     EAN (European Article Numbering Association)
>             Partner identification code assigned by the European
>             Article Numbering Association.
>   18     AIAG (Automotive Industry Action Group)
>             Partner identification code assigned by the Automotive
>             Industry Action Group.
>   22     INSEE (Institut National de la Statistique et des Etudes
>          Economiques) - SIREN
>             French national statistics institute. SIREN means Systeme
>             Informatique du Repertoire des ENtreprises (et de leurs
>             etablissements).
>   30     ISO 6523: Organization identification
>             Partner identification code specified in ISO 6523
>             (Structures for the identification of organizations).
>   31     DIN (Deutsches Institut fuer Normung)
>             German standardization institute.
>   33     BfA (Bundesversicherungsanstalt fuer Angestellte)
>             German social security association.
>   34     National Statistical Agency
>             Partner identification code assigned by a national
>             statistical agency.
>   51     GEIS (General Electric Information Services)
>             Partner identification code assigned by General Electric
>             Information Services.
>   52     INS (IBM Network Services)
>             Partner identification code assigned by IBM Network
>             Services.
>   53     Datenzentrale des Einzelhandels
>             German data centre for retail trade.
>   54     Bundesverband der Deutschen Baustoffhaendler
>             German building material trade association.
>   55     Bank identifier code
>             Partner identification code corresponds to the partner
>             bank identification code.
>   57     KTNet (Korea Trade Network Services)
>             Partner identification code assigned by Korea Trade
>             Network Services.
>   58     UPU (Universal Postal Union)
>             Partner identification code assigned by the Universal
>             Postal Union.
>   59     ODETTE (Organization for Data Exchange through Tele-
>          Transmission in Europe)
>             European automotive industry project.
>   61     SCAC (Standard Carrier Alpha Code)
>             Directory of standard multimodal carriers and tariff
>             agent codes. The SCAC lists and codes transportation
>             companies.
>   63     ECA (Electronic Commerce Australia)
>             Australian association for electronic commerce.
>   65     TELEBOX 400 (Deutsche Telekom)
>             German telecommunications service.
>   80     NHS (National Health Service)
>             United Kingdom National Health Service.
>   82     Statens Teleforvaltning
>             Norwegian telecommunications regulatory authority (NTRA).
>   84     Athens Chamber of Commerce
>             Greek Chamber of Commerce.
>   85     Swiss Chamber of Commerce
>             Swiss Chamber of Commerce.
>   86     US Council for International Business
>             United States Council for International Business.
>   87     National Federation of Chambers of Commerce and Industry
>             Belgium National Federation of Chambers of Commerce and
>             Industry.
>   89     Association of British Chambers of Commerce
>             Association of British Chambers of Commerce.
>   90     SITA (Societe Internationale de Telecommunications
>          Aeronautiques)
>             SITA (Societe Internationale de Telecommunications
>             Aeronautiques).
>   91     Assigned by seller or seller's agent
>             Partner identification code assigned by the seller or
>             seller's agent.
>   92     Assigned by buyer or buyer's agent
>             Partner identification code assigned by the buyer or
>             buyer's agent.
>   103    TW, Trade-van
>             Trade-van is an EDI VAN service center for customs,
>             transport, and insurance in national and international
>             trade.
>#| 128    CH, BCNR (Swiss Clearing Bank Number)
>             Code for the identification of a Swiss clearing bank as a
>             sender and/or receiver of an electronic message.
>#| 129    CH, BPI (Swiss Business Partner Identification)
>             Code for the identification of a corporate or a Swiss
>             non-clearing bank as a sender and/or receiver of an
>             electronic message.
>+  144    US, DoDAAC (Department of Defense Activity Address Code)
>             Code assigned to uniquely identify all military units in
>             the United States Department of Defense.
>+  145    FR, DGCP (Direction Generale de la Comptabilite Publique)
>             Code assigned by the French public accounting office.
>+  146    FR, DGI (Direction Generale des Impots)
>             Code assigned by the French taxation authority.
>+  147    JP, JIPDEC/ECPC (Japan Information Processing Development
>          Corporation / Electronic Commerce Promotion Center)
>             Partner identification code which is registered with
>             JIPDEC/ECPC.
>+  148    ITU (International Telecommunications Union) Data Network
>          Identification Code (DNIC)
>             Data network identification code assigned by the ITU.
>   ZZZ    Mutually defined
>             Mutually defined between trading partners.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: William J. Kammerer 
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 December 2000 5:26 PM
>> To: ebxml transport
>> Cc: internet!disa.org!tc154TAG; internet!disa.org!sc32-1TAG
>> Subject: Re: TC154 vote on NWI - your approval needed
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Henry:
>> 
>> I don't know how old ISO 6523 is, though it is identified as ISO/IEC
>> 6523:1998, so it must have had something done to it in the 
>> recent past.
>> 
>> And ISO 6523 doesn't appear to have limited range for IDs:  the ICD
>> (which identifies the organizations assigning the IDs,  like 
>> the EAN) is
>> four digits long, enough to accommodate thousands of authorities.  The
>> organization code itself is up to 14 characters long, long enough for
>> most coding schemes (e.g., EAN, DUNS, etc.).
>> 
>> Use of ISO 6523 saves us (ebXML)  the trouble of enumerating 
>> qualifiers
>> for (sender and receiver) logical IDs which identify the authorities
>> responsible for identification codes.  Otherwise, we'd be in the same
>> boat as X12 and UN/EDIFACT - having to assign new qualifiers as new
>> authorities pop up.  Let the EDIRA have the headache;  I 
>> believe that is
>> what ANSI is voting on, referred to in my last message.
>> 
>> William J. Kammerer
>> FORESIGHT Corp.
>> 4950 Blazer Memorial Pkwy.
>> Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305
>> +1 614 791-1600
>> 
>> Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at http://www.foresightcorp.com/
>> "Commerce for a New World"
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Henry Lowe" <hlowe@omg.org>
>> To: "William J. Kammerer" <wkammerer@foresightcorp.com>
>> Cc: <tc154TAG@disa.org>; "Gaile L. Spadin" <gspadin@disa.org>; "ebxml
>> transport" <ebxml-transport@lists.ebxml.org>; <sc32-1TAG@disa.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: TC154 vote on NWI - your approval needed
>> 
>> 
>> Hi ebXML TRP folk,
>> 
>> Not sure what this really has to do with TRP, but 6523 (as I've said
>> before) is old and has a limited range for IDs.  For historic reasons,
>> we may want to support it in URNs with TRP, but I would not suggest
>> changing what we already have to accommodate it (if that is necessary,
>> which it probably isn't -- it's been years since I actually 
>> read 6523).
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 



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