Re: draft of press reease

["Doug Tozer" <Dougt@digerati.com.au>]

Re press release:
How about
"Promote XML as an open language designed to integrate and utilise resources
applied to local and international trade"

Is the objective of XML to synchronise operations through the supply chain.
The current resources, both people and machines need to communicate more
effectively. It is my understanding that XML will provide the solution. So
put it in writing. Notice the inclusion of "local" there is so much hipe on
global at the moment it is good to focus on the activity at home as well -
global is one of perception that to some may not cover local

Kind Regards

Doug Tozer
Digerati Pty Ltd
Australia
Telephone 61 3 9859 5800
http://www.digerati.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Keogh" <bjkeogh@tradegate.org.au>
To: "Bob Glushko" <Bob.glushko@commerceone.com>; <sutor@us.ibm.com>;
<rachelf@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: <ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: draft of press reease


> Bob
>
> For my part that 'foundation' addition is an acceptable compromise, is
> credible and whilst a word, or two, too long is something that I could
> understand. Some may say the 'Internet' is the foundation and ebXML is a
> layer up but we could spend forever on analysing and satisfying all
> opinions.
>
> Barry Keogh
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Glushko [mailto:Bob.glushko@commerceone.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 5:54 PM
> > To: 'Barry Keogh'; sutor@us.ibm.com; rachelf@ix.netcom.com
> > Cc: Bob Glushko; ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: draft of press reease
> >
> >
> > We discussed this at the TMWG meeting today in London (run by Klaus and
> > attended by at least half a dozen active ebxml members including 2
project
> > chairs).
> >
> > People generally agreed with my concerns that "Create" by itself is a
> > dangerous overreach, but they also thought that enable was a little
wimpy
> > compared to create.   The compromise we recommend is "creating a single
> > foundation for the global electronic market"
> >
> > As these things go, I am supposed to draft a recommendation for
> > TMWG to send
> > through channels, but I am about to get on a plane home and that
> > would take
> > too long anyway.
> >
> > bob
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Barry Keogh [mailto:bjkeogh@tradegate.org.au]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 6:23 PM
> > > To: sutor@us.ibm.com; rachelf@ix.netcom.com
> > > Cc: 'Bob Glushko'; ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: RE: draft of press reease
> > >
> > >
> > > Team
> > >
> > > So where is the debate on Bob's thoughts on the 'theme' line?
> > > Do we agree
> > > that we should change 'Create' to 'Enable' or something else?
> > > Bob's comment
> > > at the Thursday Steering meeting was I believe met with
> > > little (no) response
> > > and again it is met with silence. It deserves debate!
> > >
> > > Bob, I don't agree that we would ever, should ever, be perceived as a
> > > competitor to Commerce One - rather we are a partner in providing the
> > > business community with solutions. I see our (ebXML) 'provision' as
> > > indirect, whereas Commerce One are the like are more direct .
> > >
> > > I have no problem to changing to Enable - because it is more factually
> > > accurate - though it does lessen the impact somewhat. It is not as
> > > provocative and any 'ire' raised would I think be pedantic.
> > > If someone has a
> > > better word, lets see it.
> > >
> > > Regards Barry Keogh
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-ebxml-awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > [mailto:owner-ebxml-awareness@lists.oasis-open.org]On Behalf Of
> > > > sutor@us.ibm.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:24 PM
> > > > To: rachelf@ix.netcom.com
> > > > Cc: 'Bob Glushko'; ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > Subject: RE: draft of press reease
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You might have Pat's # in the material that Brigitte Ruby sent you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ..........................................................
> > > > Bob Sutor
> > > > Program Director, XML Technology
> > > > 716-243-2445 / Fax 716-243-1778 / Tieline 320-9138
> > > > Cellular 716-317-6899 / Pager 1-800-946-4645 PIN # 1473757
> > > > sutor@us.ibm.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Rachel Foerster" <rachelf@ix.netcom.com> on 02/28/2000 08:03:22 PM
> > > >
> > > > Please respond to <rachelf@ix.netcom.com>
> > > >
> > > > To:   Robert S Sutor/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, "'Bob Glushko'"
> > > >       <Bob.glushko@commerceone.com>,
> > > > <ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > > cc:
> > > > Subject:  RE: draft of press reease
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In response to getting additional quotes from Pat O'Sulli8van and/or
> > > > RosettaNet, does anyone have a line of contact in to these
> > > folks and would
> > > > they be able to get a quote for the press release. If yes,
> > > we need it as
> > > > quickly as possible.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Rachel
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-ebxml-awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > > [mailto:owner-ebxml-awareness@lists.oasis-open.org]On Behalf Of
> > > > > sutor@us.ibm.com
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:09 AM
> > > > > To: Bob Glushko; ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: draft of press reease
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I forgot to make one other point.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob's suggestion of Pat O'Sullivan is an excellent one, and
> > > > > we want to make
> > > > > sure
> > > > > that we play up both the Intel and RosettaNet aspects,
> > > perhaps even
> > > > > RosettaNet
> > > > > first.
> > > > >
> > > > > ..........................................................
> > > > > Bob Sutor
> > > > > Program Director, XML Technology
> > > > > 716-243-2445 / Fax 716-243-1778 / Tieline 320-9138
> > > > > Cellular 716-317-6899 / Pager 1-800-946-4645 PIN # 1473757
> > > > > sutor@us.ibm.com
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Robert S Sutor/Watson/IBM
> > > > > on 02/28/2000
> > > > > 08:07 AM ---------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >      Robert S Sutor
> > > > >      02/28/2000 07:40 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To:   Bob Glushko <Bob.glushko@commerceone.com>,
> > > > >       ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > > cc:
> > > > > From: Robert S Sutor/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> > > > > Subject:  Re: draft of press reease  (Document link:
> > > Robert S. Sutor)
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding the quote, I agree with Bob that we need a strong quote
> > > > > from the XML side and I even agree that it should be a
> > > > > significant player
> > > > > other than the usual suspects. Just to be safe, we should
> > > > > avoid all the
> > > > > XML.org players, including Commerce One. If Microsoft
> > > would provide a
> > > > > good quote (not just any quote), we should certainly use it.
> > > > >
> > > > > As several of us have been making the point in the media and
> > > > > to analysts,
> > > > > OASIS is an open and inclusive organization. But ebXML is not
> > > > > about OASIS,
> > > > > it is about bringing together the EDI and the
> > > XML.commerce sides and
> > > > > moving forward. We need to make sure that the quotes
> > > provided aren't
> > > > > there to perpetuate any particular marketing goal of the
> > > > > individuals or
> > > > > players.
> > > > >
> > > > > ..........................................................
> > > > > Bob Sutor
> > > > > Program Director, XML Technology
> > > > > 716-243-2445 / Fax 716-243-1778 / Tieline 320-9138
> > > > > Cellular 716-317-6899 / Pager 1-800-946-4645 PIN # 1473757
> > > > > sutor@us.ibm.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob Glushko <Bob.glushko@commerceone.com>@lists.oasis-open.org on
> > > > > 02/28/2000 01:59:43 AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent by:  owner-ebxml-awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To:   "ebXML Marketing Awareness Education (E-mail)"
> > > > >       <ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > > > cc:
> > > > > Subject:  draft of press reease
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a few comments on this draft release.  I know I've
> > > > > been too busy
> > > > > lately to do anything more than lurk in this group but I hope
> > > > > I still have
> > > > > standing to return to a couple of points I made in
> > > Orlando when Rachel
> > > > > presented some of this to the steering committee.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The ebXML Initiative(tm) to "Create a Single Global
> > > > > Electronic Market(tm),"
> > > > >
> > > > > It is simply inaccurate to say that the goal of ebXML is to
> > > > > create a single
> > > > > global electronic market.  That's not why I helped to
> > > > > initiate it and have
> > > > > three people working hard in it.  Creating the market is the
> > > > > business model
> > > > > of lots of companies like mine, Commerce One, whose web site
> > > > > and branding
> > > > > screams "Many Markets, One Source" (TM) and related slogans.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is accurate to say that ebXML is creating the FOUNDATIONS
> > > > > for a single
> > > > > global electronic market -- specifications that can be used
> > > > > by anyone to
> > > > > ensure that their marketplaces interconnect.  The difference
> > > > > may be lost on
> > > > > the masses but it won't be lost on the marketing people in
> > > > > companies like
> > > > > mine, which will have to find a way to smash ebXML as a
> > > > > competitor rather
> > > > > than embrace it as an enabler.   So at the very least I
> > > > > suggest that CREATE
> > > > > be changed to ENABLE, although that is still likely to raise
> > > > > the ire of
> > > > > some
> > > > > people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's revisit the ebXML charter:  The goal is to provide an
> > > > > open technical
> > > > > specification to enable XML to be utilized in a
> > > consistent and uniform
> > > > > manner for the exchange of electronic business data in
> > > > > application-to-application, application-to-person and
> > > > > person-to-application
> > > > > environments.   Utilized by others, not by ebXML per se.
> > > > >
> > > > >  <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
> > > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
> > > > > />"This may very well prove to be a major event of the
> > > new millennium,
> > > > > revolutionizing how business transactions are tracked,
> > > > > effecting worldwide
> > > > > impacts, removing paper from the process, and by
> > > empowering people to
> > > > > create
> > > > > whole new work models," said David RR Webber, North American
> > > > > Chair of the
> > > > > XML/edi Group.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice quote. It is also essential to balance a quote by
> > > > > Webber, who has a
> > > > > high name recognition in the EDI world, with a high name
> > > > > recognition quote
> > > > > from someone who is unambiguously viewed as an XML person.
> > > > > We don't have
> > > > > enough XML architects in ebXML i.e., people who authored (or
> > > > > led) efforts
> > > > > to
> > > > > create influential XML specifications.  I think this quote
> > > > > needs to come
> > > > > from somewhere other than the OASIS ringleaders of Sun
> > > and IBM as well
> > > > > because we are having some perception problems that OASIS is
> > > > > anti-Microsoft.
> > > > > So I'd suggest a quote from Pat O'Sullivan of Intel (who is
> > > > > well known from
> > > > > the SGML specs from the semiconductor industry and who heads
> > > > > the RosettaNet
> > > > > architecture project) or David Burdett of Commerce One,
> > > who wrote IOTP
> > > > > (payment) and who heads the IETF XML Messaging team.
> > > O'Sullivan and
> > > > > Burdett
> > > > > are very well respected technically and their companies
> > > > > aren't perceived as
> > > > > anti-anyone.
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