RE: draft of press reease

["Barry Keogh" <bjkeogh@tradegate.org.au>]

Bob

For my part that 'foundation' addition is an acceptable compromise, is
credible and whilst a word, or two, too long is something that I could
understand. Some may say the 'Internet' is the foundation and ebXML is a
layer up but we could spend forever on analysing and satisfying all
opinions.

Barry Keogh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Glushko [mailto:Bob.glushko@commerceone.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 5:54 PM
> To: 'Barry Keogh'; sutor@us.ibm.com; rachelf@ix.netcom.com
> Cc: Bob Glushko; ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: draft of press reease
>
>
> We discussed this at the TMWG meeting today in London (run by Klaus and
> attended by at least half a dozen active ebxml members including 2 project
> chairs).
>
> People generally agreed with my concerns that "Create" by itself is a
> dangerous overreach, but they also thought that enable was a little wimpy
> compared to create.   The compromise we recommend is "creating a single
> foundation for the global electronic market"
>
> As these things go, I am supposed to draft a recommendation for
> TMWG to send
> through channels, but I am about to get on a plane home and that
> would take
> too long anyway.
>
> bob
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Barry Keogh [mailto:bjkeogh@tradegate.org.au]
> > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 6:23 PM
> > To: sutor@us.ibm.com; rachelf@ix.netcom.com
> > Cc: 'Bob Glushko'; ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: draft of press reease
> >
> >
> > Team
> >
> > So where is the debate on Bob's thoughts on the 'theme' line?
> > Do we agree
> > that we should change 'Create' to 'Enable' or something else?
> > Bob's comment
> > at the Thursday Steering meeting was I believe met with
> > little (no) response
> > and again it is met with silence. It deserves debate!
> >
> > Bob, I don't agree that we would ever, should ever, be perceived as a
> > competitor to Commerce One - rather we are a partner in providing the
> > business community with solutions. I see our (ebXML) 'provision' as
> > indirect, whereas Commerce One are the like are more direct .
> >
> > I have no problem to changing to Enable - because it is more factually
> > accurate - though it does lessen the impact somewhat. It is not as
> > provocative and any 'ire' raised would I think be pedantic.
> > If someone has a
> > better word, lets see it.
> >
> > Regards		Barry Keogh
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ebxml-awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > [mailto:owner-ebxml-awareness@lists.oasis-open.org]On Behalf Of
> > > sutor@us.ibm.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:24 PM
> > > To: rachelf@ix.netcom.com
> > > Cc: 'Bob Glushko'; ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: RE: draft of press reease
> > >
> > >
> > > You might have Pat's # in the material that Brigitte Ruby sent you.
> > >
> > >
> > > ..........................................................
> > > Bob Sutor
> > > Program Director, XML Technology
> > > 716-243-2445 / Fax 716-243-1778 / Tieline 320-9138
> > > Cellular 716-317-6899 / Pager 1-800-946-4645 PIN # 1473757
> > > sutor@us.ibm.com
> > >
> > >
> > > "Rachel Foerster" <rachelf@ix.netcom.com> on 02/28/2000 08:03:22 PM
> > >
> > > Please respond to <rachelf@ix.netcom.com>
> > >
> > > To:   Robert S Sutor/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, "'Bob Glushko'"
> > >       <Bob.glushko@commerceone.com>,
> > > <ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > cc:
> > > Subject:  RE: draft of press reease
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In response to getting additional quotes from Pat O'Sulli8van and/or
> > > RosettaNet, does anyone have a line of contact in to these
> > folks and would
> > > they be able to get a quote for the press release. If yes,
> > we need it as
> > > quickly as possible.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Rachel
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-ebxml-awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > [mailto:owner-ebxml-awareness@lists.oasis-open.org]On Behalf Of
> > > > sutor@us.ibm.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:09 AM
> > > > To: Bob Glushko; ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > Subject: Re: draft of press reease
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I forgot to make one other point.
> > > >
> > > > Bob's suggestion of Pat O'Sullivan is an excellent one, and
> > > > we want to make
> > > > sure
> > > > that we play up both the Intel and RosettaNet aspects,
> > perhaps even
> > > > RosettaNet
> > > > first.
> > > >
> > > > ..........................................................
> > > > Bob Sutor
> > > > Program Director, XML Technology
> > > > 716-243-2445 / Fax 716-243-1778 / Tieline 320-9138
> > > > Cellular 716-317-6899 / Pager 1-800-946-4645 PIN # 1473757
> > > > sutor@us.ibm.com
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Robert S Sutor/Watson/IBM
> > > > on 02/28/2000
> > > > 08:07 AM ---------------------------
> > > >
> > > >      Robert S Sutor
> > > >      02/28/2000 07:40 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To:   Bob Glushko <Bob.glushko@commerceone.com>,
> > > >       ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > cc:
> > > > From: Robert S Sutor/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> > > > Subject:  Re: draft of press reease  (Document link:
> > Robert S. Sutor)
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the quote, I agree with Bob that we need a strong quote
> > > > from the XML side and I even agree that it should be a
> > > > significant player
> > > > other than the usual suspects. Just to be safe, we should
> > > > avoid all the
> > > > XML.org players, including Commerce One. If Microsoft
> > would provide a
> > > > good quote (not just any quote), we should certainly use it.
> > > >
> > > > As several of us have been making the point in the media and
> > > > to analysts,
> > > > OASIS is an open and inclusive organization. But ebXML is not
> > > > about OASIS,
> > > > it is about bringing together the EDI and the
> > XML.commerce sides and
> > > > moving forward. We need to make sure that the quotes
> > provided aren't
> > > > there to perpetuate any particular marketing goal of the
> > > > individuals or
> > > > players.
> > > >
> > > > ..........................................................
> > > > Bob Sutor
> > > > Program Director, XML Technology
> > > > 716-243-2445 / Fax 716-243-1778 / Tieline 320-9138
> > > > Cellular 716-317-6899 / Pager 1-800-946-4645 PIN # 1473757
> > > > sutor@us.ibm.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob Glushko <Bob.glushko@commerceone.com>@lists.oasis-open.org on
> > > > 02/28/2000 01:59:43 AM
> > > >
> > > > Sent by:  owner-ebxml-awareness@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To:   "ebXML Marketing Awareness Education (E-mail)"
> > > >       <ebXML-Awareness@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > > cc:
> > > > Subject:  draft of press reease
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have a few comments on this draft release.  I know I've
> > > > been too busy
> > > > lately to do anything more than lurk in this group but I hope
> > > > I still have
> > > > standing to return to a couple of points I made in
> > Orlando when Rachel
> > > > presented some of this to the steering committee.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The ebXML Initiative(tm) to "Create a Single Global
> > > > Electronic Market(tm),"
> > > >
> > > > It is simply inaccurate to say that the goal of ebXML is to
> > > > create a single
> > > > global electronic market.  That's not why I helped to
> > > > initiate it and have
> > > > three people working hard in it.  Creating the market is the
> > > > business model
> > > > of lots of companies like mine, Commerce One, whose web site
> > > > and branding
> > > > screams "Many Markets, One Source" (TM) and related slogans.
> > > >
> > > > It is accurate to say that ebXML is creating the FOUNDATIONS
> > > > for a single
> > > > global electronic market -- specifications that can be used
> > > > by anyone to
> > > > ensure that their marketplaces interconnect.  The difference
> > > > may be lost on
> > > > the masses but it won't be lost on the marketing people in
> > > > companies like
> > > > mine, which will have to find a way to smash ebXML as a
> > > > competitor rather
> > > > than embrace it as an enabler.   So at the very least I
> > > > suggest that CREATE
> > > > be changed to ENABLE, although that is still likely to raise
> > > > the ire of
> > > > some
> > > > people.
> > > >
> > > > Let's revisit the ebXML charter:  The goal is to provide an
> > > > open technical
> > > > specification to enable XML to be utilized in a
> > consistent and uniform
> > > > manner for the exchange of electronic business data in
> > > > application-to-application, application-to-person and
> > > > person-to-application
> > > > environments.   Utilized by others, not by ebXML per se.
> > > >
> > > >  <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
> > > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
> > > > />"This may very well prove to be a major event of the
> > new millennium,
> > > > revolutionizing how business transactions are tracked,
> > > > effecting worldwide
> > > > impacts, removing paper from the process, and by
> > empowering people to
> > > > create
> > > > whole new work models," said David RR Webber, North American
> > > > Chair of the
> > > > XML/edi Group.
> > > >
> > > > Nice quote. It is also essential to balance a quote by
> > > > Webber, who has a
> > > > high name recognition in the EDI world, with a high name
> > > > recognition quote
> > > > from someone who is unambiguously viewed as an XML person.
> > > > We don't have
> > > > enough XML architects in ebXML i.e., people who authored (or
> > > > led) efforts
> > > > to
> > > > create influential XML specifications.  I think this quote
> > > > needs to come
> > > > from somewhere other than the OASIS ringleaders of Sun
> > and IBM as well
> > > > because we are having some perception problems that OASIS is
> > > > anti-Microsoft.
> > > > So I'd suggest a quote from Pat O'Sullivan of Intel (who is
> > > > well known from
> > > > the SGML specs from the semiconductor industry and who heads
> > > > the RosettaNet
> > > > architecture project) or David Burdett of Commerce One,
> > who wrote IOTP
> > > > (payment) and who heads the IETF XML Messaging team.
> > O'Sullivan and
> > > > Burdett
> > > > are very well respected technically and their companies
> > > > aren't perceived as
> > > > anti-anyone.
> > > >
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