Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs and Schemas for Purchase Orders,Invoices etc.

[Mike Rawlins <mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com>]

All very good points, David, but with all due respect that's not what Mr. Norris said he was asking for.  Martin Sachs' suggestion that he look at verticals like RosettaNet, HL7, OAGIS, etc., is probably the best advice for someone looking for schemas or DTDs now.

"Welsh, David" wrote:

> Ray,
>
> Further, and it sort of depends on what vertical industry you are focusing in on for work in progress but for example foreward thinking folks in the AIAG for the automotive industry, great folks like the UCC and the GCI in the Retail industry are but of a few of the growing number of vertical
> industries who are probably the best (dealing with their actual business communities -  those of us who do business, large companies and small) where 'business schemas' will come from.
>
> A few points I'd like to further mention with respect to ebXML:
>
> 1. if memory serves me, UN/CEFACT and OASIS have jointly agreed that the business 'CONTENT' belongs on the UN/CEFACT side of the relationship and UN/CEFACT (plus of course not forgetting X12 !) have established relationships with the various vertical business communities. Again I believe it was
> always the ebXML vision that ebXML would create the 'HOW TO ...' while vertical industries serving their memberships and who know their own vertical industry would do a great job creating the 'WHAT IT IS ...' such as 'schemas' thru a globally coordinated effort hosted by UN/CEFACT.
>
> 2. in EDI the *focus* was on an EDI document (format) centric approach to exchanging business information.
> IN ebXML, THE *FOCUS* HAS MOVED FURTHER THAN EDI !!
> In ebXML it is about 'Business Processes' and Business Modeling and ' a lot of formal technology specifications (on things like XML messaging, things like the structure of a Registry, on things like forming a technical trading partner profile). I think you'll find you'll want more than a schema, and
> get into business process modeling, if you want to 'do ebXML'.
>
> 3. ebXML was an 18 month time limited project that acted with intent 'to start the (XML for business) ball rolling', building in part on a foundation from the EDI community experience and also current software industry new work (XML, ..). Personally I think the very best of the ebXML spirit, and
> perhaps what you look for, has yet to come but only time will tell.
>
> All the very best
> -Dave Welsh
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Rawlins [mailto:mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:02 AM
> > To: Norris, Ray
> > Cc: 'ebXML-dev@lists.ebxml.org'
> > Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs and Schemas for Purchase Orders,
> > Invoices etc.
> >
> >
> > Mr. Norris,
> >
> > You won't find what you're looking for, at least not yet
> > anyway.  ebXML at this
> > point is an infrastructure and does not incorporate DTDs or
> > schemas for business
> > documents.  UN/CEFACT may at some time in the future develop
> > "standard" ebXML
> > based documents, and the OASIS UBL Technical Committee is
> > currently doing just
> > that.
> >
> > "Norris, Ray" wrote:
> >
> > > >       I am trying to find the current standard ebXML DTDs
> > and Schemas for
> > > > electronic documents used in purchasing. I am dealing
> > with partners who
> > > > are communicating between SAP and non-SAP systems, and
> > they want to use
> > > > the ebXML versions of Purchase Orders, Order
> > Acknowledgements and Invoices
> > > > as their standard.
> > > >       I have checked several web sites that have
> > references to ebXML
> > > > (including your own), but I have had little success in
> > locating downloads
> > > > for the DTDs or Schemas for documents used in purchasing.
> > > >       I would be very grateful for any assistance that
> > you can give me in
> > > > finding ebXML document definitions.
> > > >       Best regards,
> > > >
> > > >       Ray  Norris
> > > >       ATOS ORIGIN
> > > >       * Ray.Norris@atosorigin.com
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