RE: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs and Schemas for Purchase Orders,Invoi ces etc.

["Welsh, David" <David.Welsh@nordstrom.com>]

Gee Mike, I thought I said that in my first sentence where I suggested AIAG and UCC/GCI.

-Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Rawlins [mailto:mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:33 AM
> To: 'ebXML-dev@lists.ebxml.org'
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs and Schemas for Purchase Orders,
> Invoices etc.
> 
> 
> All very good points, David, but with all due respect that's 
> not what Mr. Norris said he was asking for.  Martin Sachs' 
> suggestion that he look at verticals like RosettaNet, HL7, 
> OAGIS, etc., is probably the best advice for someone looking 
> for schemas or DTDs now.
> 
> "Welsh, David" wrote:
> 
> > Ray,
> >
> > Further, and it sort of depends on what vertical industry 
> you are focusing in on for work in progress but for example 
> foreward thinking folks in the AIAG for the automotive 
> industry, great folks like the UCC and the GCI in the Retail 
> industry are but of a few of the growing number of vertical
> > industries who are probably the best (dealing with their 
> actual business communities -  those of us who do business, 
> large companies and small) where 'business schemas' will come from.
> >
> > A few points I'd like to further mention with respect to ebXML:
> >
> > 1. if memory serves me, UN/CEFACT and OASIS have jointly 
> agreed that the business 'CONTENT' belongs on the UN/CEFACT 
> side of the relationship and UN/CEFACT (plus of course not 
> forgetting X12 !) have established relationships with the 
> various vertical business communities. Again I believe it was
> > always the ebXML vision that ebXML would create the 'HOW TO 
> ...' while vertical industries serving their memberships and 
> who know their own vertical industry would do a great job 
> creating the 'WHAT IT IS ...' such as 'schemas' thru a 
> globally coordinated effort hosted by UN/CEFACT.
> >
> > 2. in EDI the *focus* was on an EDI document (format) 
> centric approach to exchanging business information.
> > IN ebXML, THE *FOCUS* HAS MOVED FURTHER THAN EDI !!
> > In ebXML it is about 'Business Processes' and Business 
> Modeling and ' a lot of formal technology specifications (on 
> things like XML messaging, things like the structure of a 
> Registry, on things like forming a technical trading partner 
> profile). I think you'll find you'll want more than a schema, and
> > get into business process modeling, if you want to 'do ebXML'.
> >
> > 3. ebXML was an 18 month time limited project that acted 
> with intent 'to start the (XML for business) ball rolling', 
> building in part on a foundation from the EDI community 
> experience and also current software industry new work (XML, 
> ..). Personally I think the very best of the ebXML spirit, and
> > perhaps what you look for, has yet to come but only time will tell.
> >
> > All the very best
> > -Dave Welsh
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Rawlins [mailto:mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:02 AM
> > > To: Norris, Ray
> > > Cc: 'ebXML-dev@lists.ebxml.org'
> > > Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs and Schemas for 
> Purchase Orders,
> > > Invoices etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Norris,
> > >
> > > You won't find what you're looking for, at least not yet
> > > anyway.  ebXML at this
> > > point is an infrastructure and does not incorporate DTDs or
> > > schemas for business
> > > documents.  UN/CEFACT may at some time in the future develop
> > > "standard" ebXML
> > > based documents, and the OASIS UBL Technical Committee is
> > > currently doing just
> > > that.
> > >
> > > "Norris, Ray" wrote:
> > >
> > > > >       I am trying to find the current standard ebXML DTDs
> > > and Schemas for
> > > > > electronic documents used in purchasing. I am dealing
> > > with partners who
> > > > > are communicating between SAP and non-SAP systems, and
> > > they want to use
> > > > > the ebXML versions of Purchase Orders, Order
> > > Acknowledgements and Invoices
> > > > > as their standard.
> > > > >       I have checked several web sites that have
> > > references to ebXML
> > > > > (including your own), but I have had little success in
> > > locating downloads
> > > > > for the DTDs or Schemas for documents used in purchasing.
> > > > >       I would be very grateful for any assistance that
> > > you can give me in
> > > > > finding ebXML document definitions.
> > > > >       Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >       Ray  Norris
> > > > >       ATOS ORIGIN
> > > > >       * Ray.Norris@atosorigin.com
> > > > >
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