Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs and Schemas for Purchase Orders,Invoi cesetc.

[Mike Rawlins <mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com>]

"Welsh, David" wrote:

> Gee Mike, I thought I said that in my first sentence where I suggested AIAG and UCC/GCI.
>
> -Dave

Sorry Dave.  In between a head cold that is fuzzing my brain and trying to participate in
this discussion in between three different conference calls today, this reply seemed a bit
out of place.

>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Rawlins [mailto:mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:33 AM
> > To: 'ebXML-dev@lists.ebxml.org'
> > Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs and Schemas for Purchase Orders,
> > Invoices etc.
> >
> >
> > All very good points, David, but with all due respect that's
> > not what Mr. Norris said he was asking for.  Martin Sachs'
> > suggestion that he look at verticals like RosettaNet, HL7,
> > OAGIS, etc., is probably the best advice for someone looking
> > for schemas or DTDs now.
> >
> > "Welsh, David" wrote:
> >
> > > Ray,
> > >
> > > Further, and it sort of depends on what vertical industry
> > you are focusing in on for work in progress but for example
> > foreward thinking folks in the AIAG for the automotive
> > industry, great folks like the UCC and the GCI in the Retail
> > industry are but of a few of the growing number of vertical
> > > industries who are probably the best (dealing with their
> > actual business communities -  those of us who do business,
> > large companies and small) where 'business schemas' will come from.
> > >
> > > A few points I'd like to further mention with respect to ebXML:
> > >
> > > 1. if memory serves me, UN/CEFACT and OASIS have jointly
> > agreed that the business 'CONTENT' belongs on the UN/CEFACT
> > side of the relationship and UN/CEFACT (plus of course not
> > forgetting X12 !) have established relationships with the
> > various vertical business communities. Again I believe it was
> > > always the ebXML vision that ebXML would create the 'HOW TO
> > ...' while vertical industries serving their memberships and
> > who know their own vertical industry would do a great job
> > creating the 'WHAT IT IS ...' such as 'schemas' thru a
> > globally coordinated effort hosted by UN/CEFACT.
> > >
> > > 2. in EDI the *focus* was on an EDI document (format)
> > centric approach to exchanging business information.
> > > IN ebXML, THE *FOCUS* HAS MOVED FURTHER THAN EDI !!
> > > In ebXML it is about 'Business Processes' and Business
> > Modeling and ' a lot of formal technology specifications (on
> > things like XML messaging, things like the structure of a
> > Registry, on things like forming a technical trading partner
> > profile). I think you'll find you'll want more than a schema, and
> > > get into business process modeling, if you want to 'do ebXML'.
> > >
> > > 3. ebXML was an 18 month time limited project that acted
> > with intent 'to start the (XML for business) ball rolling',
> > building in part on a foundation from the EDI community
> > experience and also current software industry new work (XML,
> > ..). Personally I think the very best of the ebXML spirit, and
> > > perhaps what you look for, has yet to come but only time will tell.
> > >
> > > All the very best
> > > -Dave Welsh
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mike Rawlins [mailto:mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:02 AM
> > > > To: Norris, Ray
> > > > Cc: 'ebXML-dev@lists.ebxml.org'
> > > > Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML DTDs and Schemas for
> > Purchase Orders,
> > > > Invoices etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Norris,
> > > >
> > > > You won't find what you're looking for, at least not yet
> > > > anyway.  ebXML at this
> > > > point is an infrastructure and does not incorporate DTDs or
> > > > schemas for business
> > > > documents.  UN/CEFACT may at some time in the future develop
> > > > "standard" ebXML
> > > > based documents, and the OASIS UBL Technical Committee is
> > > > currently doing just
> > > > that.
> > > >
> > > > "Norris, Ray" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >       I am trying to find the current standard ebXML DTDs
> > > > and Schemas for
> > > > > > electronic documents used in purchasing. I am dealing
> > > > with partners who
> > > > > > are communicating between SAP and non-SAP systems, and
> > > > they want to use
> > > > > > the ebXML versions of Purchase Orders, Order
> > > > Acknowledgements and Invoices
> > > > > > as their standard.
> > > > > >       I have checked several web sites that have
> > > > references to ebXML
> > > > > > (including your own), but I have had little success in
> > > > locating downloads
> > > > > > for the DTDs or Schemas for documents used in purchasing.
> > > > > >       I would be very grateful for any assistance that
> > > > you can give me in
> > > > > > finding ebXML document definitions.
> > > > > >       Best regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       Ray  Norris
> > > > > >       ATOS ORIGIN
> > > > > >       * Ray.Norris@atosorigin.com
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