RE: [ebxml-dev] WS-I

["Welsh, David" <David.Welsh@nordstrom.com>]

Hi Scott,
I thinkl you're fundamentally right, but just wanted to add a bit of 'tactical' business context to your second point. Without the business collaboration layer prescribed, maybe something like the BP Collaboration work we've been doing in eBTWG, one will simple see "the some old wolf in new sheeps
clothing"; ie. as you mention another incarnation of 'point to point' transactions without business context and worse yet without direction to computable business objectives. 
The only caveat I'd like to add though is there is some 'business mileage' today to be gained with WSDL/SOAP over the 'traditional techniques' of ftp to elaborate EAI. Basically in opportunities for application to application loose coupling, given the big push also going on with the major software
vendors and a 'bunch' of low cost/free software appearing now, WSDL/SOAP is perhaps a better way to 'hack something together' for a quick business fix.

-Dave


> The proliferation of Web Services without:
> 
> 1) standard models to drive standard definitions their signature, and
> 2) a standard business process level integration mechanism to 
> choreograph
> their invocations,
> is just more point to point integrations which are too costly 
> for anyone to
> support.
> 
> Just because a program can parse as WSDL document and determine the
> signature of a web service, does not mean it can understand 
> the signature or
> is interoperable with its signature.  
> 
> Scott Nieman
> Practice Director - Integration
> Venturi Technology Partners
> 952.352.5889
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee, Teho
> To: mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Sent: 2/11/2002 1:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] WS-I
> 
> Microsoft .NET combined with its Global XML Web 
> Services(WS-Inspection,
> WS-License, WS-Routing...) is pushing the recently heating-up baseline
> web services(SOAP,UDDI,WSDL) to its ultimate use. This is an entirely
> new set of standards so no surprise its interoperability needs to be
> well coordinated between players like any other standard does. This is
> why WS-I. (see the following URL). 
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-
> us/dnsvcin
> ter/html/ws-ijump.asp
> 
> IMO, ebXML has every bit of web services' ingredient, and in some
> aspects even more (like there's no WS-Reliable Messaging yet...). It's
> just that web services has been gathering soooo much steam in the past
> few months because of its transparency and ease of use. The future, a
> big success/demise of web services itself or convergence of business
> standards(RosettaNet, ebXML...) and web services... I'll leave it for
> your own judgment.
> 
> Teho Lee
> 
> IONA
> END 2 ANYWHERE
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Rawlins [mailto:mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 1:11 PM
> To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] WS-I
> 
> 
> Seems to me their focus is on adopting existing specifications rather
> than
> developing them.  Other than that, they read very much like 
> "yet another
> Internet based technology consortium", as if we don't have enough of
> them
> already...
> 
> 
> Sharad Agarwal wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I recently saw a news item on WS-I and then visited the site
> > (http://www.ws-i.org) to notice that another new standard initiative
> for
> > e-business interoperability has started.
> >
> > Can someone help me understand where does this imitative stand
> vis-à-vis
> > ebXML or what different problems is it trying to address than the
> problems
> > ebXML tried to solve ? Or it is absolutely different thing 
> and can not
> be
> > compared with ebXML at all ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sharad
> >
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