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Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] OMG/OASIS/HRXML etc. Interop Conference OrlandoJun27+28

Title: RE: [ebxml-dev] OMG/OASIS/HRXML etc. Interop Conference OrlandoJun27+28

Duane ... I agree .. the greatest stumbling block to standardization .. is .. the 'I did not invent this' syndrome ... instead of saying .. where did we leave off in the last meeting.....  and continue on..   Each group fest . by one synonym group or another .. who thinks .. theirs is the only real mouse trap... wants to start with their new vision, rather than support  continuation of the groups work in progress. 

This is why fewer and fewer people are attending these events .. and ...more and more people are leaving the support of the various synonyms.  To many good .. experienced ..  knowledgeable people made this decision, including some groups whose support is needed to succeed.

Gene Hockemeyer
Senior Programmer
Alcas Corporation
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-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Nickull [mailto:duane@xmlglobal.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:13 PM
To: Michael C. Rawlins
Cc: Todd Boyle; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] OMG/OASIS/HRXML etc. Interop Conference


I was there at the Dec conference as were Karl Best and others from
OASIS and UN/CEFACT.  ebXML was well represented however, I was
personally quite dismayed at the treatment ebXML got.  Whe the goals of
"interoperability" were discussed during the open plenary, I personally
stated that ebXML had the same set of drivers and suggested that rather
than start off again, they shoudl throw their weight behind ebXML.
Rather than agree to this,  they started to re-invent and re-discover a
lot fo ground ebXML has already covered. 

The main irony arose from their identification of "Not invented here" as
a major barrier to overcome for interoperability.

I think that via the good folks at OASIS,  ebXML will be well
represented.  I openly encourage the group to toss their effort behind
ebXML rather than re-inventing what we have already done.

I would like to hear an official comment on stature from the organizaers
of this group as to why they don;t want to wokr with ebXML.  ebXML is
the infrastructure that can allow interoperability between disparate

Duane Nickull

"Michael C. Rawlins" wrote:
> Mr. Boyle,
> I think you probably didn't see an official representative of ebXML at the
> 2001 conference, and won't see one at the next one, is due to the fact that
> as of May 2001 ebXML ceased to exist as an organization.  However,
> UN/CEFACT and OASIS, who are continuing the ebXML work, are sponsors of the
> conference.  I don't think you have anything to be concerned about along
> these lines.  As to actually converging and harmonizing the work of various
> bodies, it seems to me to be happening at less than a geological pace,
> though I've not given up hope yet.
> Cheers,
> At 05:39 PM 6/11/02 -0700, Todd Boyle wrote:
> >I hope some official representative of ebXML, ebTWG, or UN/CEFACT
> >is attending, among all these standards bodies, working to converge and
> >harmonize their work? http://www.omg.org/interop/program.htm
> >
> >The 2001 page doesn't show ebXML http://www.omg.org/interop/
> >but the meeting was really powerful.  There are still some
> >powerpoints on the website from the 2001 Interop.   Gary Neal's
> >powerpoint 2001, is dynamite
> >http://www.omg.org/interop/program_2001.htm
> >
> >I did some comments on the 2001 mailing lists
> >http://www.gldialtone.com/collab.htm
> >
> >Todd
> >
> >
> >
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