OASIS Mailing List ArchivesView the OASIS mailing list archive below
or browse/search using MarkMail.


Help: OASIS Mailing Lists Help | MarkMail Help

ebxml-dev message

[Date Prev] | [Thread Prev] | [Thread Next] | [Date Next] -- [Date Index] | [Thread Index] | [Elist Home]

Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] New WSCI spec competes with BPSS....

I have published the analysis I posted on this list earlier onto my web
site at www.ebpml.org/wsci.htm

It might be easier to read than the long email.


Jean-Jacques Dubray____________________
Chief Architect
Eigner  Precision Lifecycle Management
200 Fifth Avenue
Waltham, MA 02451

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jean-Jacques Dubray [mailto:Jean-Jacques.Dubray@eigner.com]
>>Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:29 AM
>>To: 'bhaugen'; andrzej@chaeron.com; 'Todd Boyle'
>>Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>>Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] New WSCI spec competes with BPSS....
>>Thank you Bob, I agree, it is far more important to define the
>>articulation between the standards (and hopefully manage them to the
>>correct alignment) rather than trying to "kill" or puncture holes.
>>has been my approach since the beginning. It is clear that BPML, Web
>>Services and ebXML are complementary. BPML deals with the automation
>>internal business processes, Web Services provide the infrastructure
>>which all network components provide a homogenous way to interact with
>>them, and ebXML deals with B2B transaction and data exchange which
>>very specific (and precise) semantics as well as protocols. See
>>services, a workflow engine would have to know a lot about how to
>>a component. Web Services have flatten that out.
>>Web Services being a low level specification, it can also be used in a
>>lot of different scenarios (outside of BPML/ebXML). I certainly don't
>>understand the animosity of Web Service guys towards ebXML. I wish an
>>authority like Chris Ferris would step up and point at what's "rotten"
>>here. It will ultimately become an embarrassment to the Web Services
>>community as they will hold positions that make less and less sense,
>>throwing a shadow of doubt into the whole technology.
>>Overall, this whole thing is a very difficult subject, and what most
>>us want is something useable, not marketing crap wrapped in fancy HTML
>>Jean-Jacques Dubray____________________
>>Chief Architect
>>Eigner  Precision Lifecycle Management
>>200 Fifth Avenue
>>Waltham, MA 02451
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: bhaugen [mailto:linkage@interaccess.com]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:50 PM
>>>>To: andrzej@chaeron.com; Todd Boyle
>>>>Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] New WSCI spec competes with BPSS....
>>>> Todd says:
>>>> > ebXML has some of the best scientists in the world, they have
>>>>> already been through BPML and punctured some logical
>>>>> holes in it.  And probably learned some useful things from it.
>>>>Who's punctured logical holes in BPML?
>>>>Let's not start any new standards-group-marketing rumors.
>>>>The relationships between these groups are strange.
>>>>BPSS and other ebXML+eBTWG projects have had
>>>>high-quality participation from some people in both
>>>>BPML and BTP.  To name two, Jean-Jacques Dubray
>>>>of BPML and Tony Fletcher of BTP.  We've had some
>>>>mutually-respectful conversations pointing to the strengths
>>>>and fitness for use of each spec.  That is, each of them
>>>>has particular best use-cases. Some of them could
>>>>play together nicely. We can actually think about it together
>>>>somewhat scientifically.
>>>>Then you get the would-be marketroids
>>>>from all of the groups who just want to diss
>>>>"the competition".  Or "kill BPSS".
>>>>We need Scott Adams to come up with a new
>>>>Dilbert character for these guys.
>>>>-Bob Haugen
>>>>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS.
>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription
>>>>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl>
>>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS.
>>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription
>>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl>

[Date Prev] | [Thread Prev] | [Thread Next] | [Date Next] -- [Date Index] | [Thread Index] | [Elist Home]

Search: Match: Sort by:
Words: | Help

Powered by eList eXpress LLC