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Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] New WSCI spec competes with BPSS....
I have published the analysis I posted on this list earlier onto my web site at www.ebpml.org/wsci.htm It might be easier to read than the long email. Cheers, Jean-Jacques Dubray____________________ Chief Architect Eigner Precision Lifecycle Management 200 Fifth Avenue Waltham, MA 02451 781-472-6317 jjd@eigner.com www.eigner.com >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jean-Jacques Dubray [mailto:Jean-Jacques.Dubray@eigner.com] >>Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:29 AM >>To: 'bhaugen'; andrzej@chaeron.com; 'Todd Boyle' >>Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org >>Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] New WSCI spec competes with BPSS.... >> >>Thank you Bob, I agree, it is far more important to define the >>articulation between the standards (and hopefully manage them to the >>correct alignment) rather than trying to "kill" or puncture holes. This >>has been my approach since the beginning. It is clear that BPML, Web >>Services and ebXML are complementary. BPML deals with the automation of >>internal business processes, Web Services provide the infrastructure by >>which all network components provide a homogenous way to interact with >>them, and ebXML deals with B2B transaction and data exchange which have >>very specific (and precise) semantics as well as protocols. See without >>services, a workflow engine would have to know a lot about how to access >>a component. Web Services have flatten that out. >> >>Web Services being a low level specification, it can also be used in a >>lot of different scenarios (outside of BPML/ebXML). I certainly don't >>understand the animosity of Web Service guys towards ebXML. I wish an >>authority like Chris Ferris would step up and point at what's "rotten" >>here. It will ultimately become an embarrassment to the Web Services >>community as they will hold positions that make less and less sense, >>throwing a shadow of doubt into the whole technology. >> >>Overall, this whole thing is a very difficult subject, and what most of >>us want is something useable, not marketing crap wrapped in fancy HTML >>pages. >> >>Jean-Jacques Dubray____________________ >>Chief Architect >>Eigner Precision Lifecycle Management >>200 Fifth Avenue >>Waltham, MA 02451 >>781-472-6317 >>jjd@eigner.com >>www.eigner.com >> >> >> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: bhaugen [mailto:linkage@interaccess.com] >>>>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:50 PM >>>>To: andrzej@chaeron.com; Todd Boyle >>>>Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org >>>>Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] New WSCI spec competes with BPSS.... >>>> >>>> Todd says: >>>>> >>>> > ebXML has some of the best scientists in the world, they have >>>>> already been through BPML and punctured some logical >>>>> holes in it. And probably learned some useful things from it. >>>> >>>>Who's punctured logical holes in BPML? >>>>Let's not start any new standards-group-marketing rumors. >>>> >>>>The relationships between these groups are strange. >>>>BPSS and other ebXML+eBTWG projects have had >>>>high-quality participation from some people in both >>>>BPML and BTP. To name two, Jean-Jacques Dubray >>>>of BPML and Tony Fletcher of BTP. We've had some >>>>mutually-respectful conversations pointing to the strengths >>>>and fitness for use of each spec. That is, each of them >>>>has particular best use-cases. Some of them could >>>>play together nicely. We can actually think about it together >>>>somewhat scientifically. >>>> >>>>Then you get the would-be marketroids >>>>from all of the groups who just want to diss >>>>"the competition". Or "kill BPSS". >>>> >>>>We need Scott Adams to come up with a new >>>>Dilbert character for these guys. >>>> >>>>-Bob Haugen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>>>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl>
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