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Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] Web Services and ebXML

Sun's Market Development Engineering group (part of Sun Developer Network), 
offers a programmer code camps of several days duration that roughly follows the 
outline you suggested. 

check out the following URL for me details on the code camps


Web Sevices Code Camp (in 4 sections)  -UPDATED-
                       Web Services codecamp topics are grouped into 4 
categories. Presentation slides and relevant lab
                       materials are listed together. Overview of Web services 
and Sun[tm] ONE Architecture. 
                             Part 1
                           In this session, the motivation, fundamental concepts 
and characteristics of Web Services are talked
                           about first and then Sun ONE architecture is 
                             Part 2
                           These sessions talk about the core building blocks of 
Web services - How to describe a service, how to
                           publish and discover a service, and how to invoke a 
service - and their associated standards - SOAP,
                           WSDL, UDDD. The ebXML standard which enables the 
electronic business framework is then explained
                           in detail. 
                             Part 3 -UPDATED- 15.MAR.02
                           The Java community has been working diligently to 
come up with a comprehensive set of Java APIs
                           for Web services. These sessions talk about three 
important Java APIs for Web services - JAXM for XML
                           messaging, JAX-RPC for XML-based remote procedure 
calling, and JAXR for XML-based registries. 
                             Part 4
                           These sessions talk about how you can develop and 
deploy Web services on the J2EE platform, and
                           how to use development tools such as Forte for Java 
to build and deploy Web services. And finally web
                           services security is discussed. 


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>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:11:37 -0400
>From: "Yader, Mark (GXS)" <Mark.Yader@gxs.ge.com>
>Subject: [ebxml-dev] Web Services and ebXML
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>This thread leads me into an issue that I have been dealing with. As an
>ebXML and Web services enthusiast, I have been trying to find training
>courses for both management and consultants/developers that covers (1) 1-2
>days on Web services technology; (2) 1-2 days on ebXML technology; and (3)
>one day to compare/contrast the two and look at sample B2B implementations
>using both technologies.
>Any recommendations ? Any training companies out there that can customize
>that type of course ?
>Mark Yader
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jean-Jacques Dubray [mailto:jjd@eigner.com]
>Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:29 AM
>To: 'bhaugen'; andrzej@chaeron.com; 'Todd Boyle'
>Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] New WSCI spec competes with BPSS....
>Thank you Bob, I agree, it is far more important to define the
>articulation between the standards (and hopefully manage them to the
>correct alignment) rather than trying to "kill" or puncture holes. This
>has been my approach since the beginning. It is clear that BPML, Web
>Services and ebXML are complementary. BPML deals with the automation of
>internal business processes, Web Services provide the infrastructure by
>which all network components provide a homogenous way to interact with
>them, and ebXML deals with B2B transaction and data exchange which have
>very specific (and precise) semantics as well as protocols. See without
>services, a workflow engine would have to know a lot about how to access
>a component. Web Services have flatten that out. 
>Web Services being a low level specification, it can also be used in a
>lot of different scenarios (outside of BPML/ebXML). I certainly don't
>understand the animosity of Web Service guys towards ebXML. I wish an
>authority like Chris Ferris would step up and point at what's "rotten"
>here. It will ultimately become an embarrassment to the Web Services
>community as they will hold positions that make less and less sense,
>throwing a shadow of doubt into the whole technology. 
>Overall, this whole thing is a very difficult subject, and what most of
>us want is something useable, not marketing crap wrapped in fancy HTML
>Jean-Jacques Dubray____________________
>Chief Architect
>Eigner  Precision Lifecycle Management
>200 Fifth Avenue
>Waltham, MA 02451
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: bhaugen [mailto:linkage@interaccess.com]
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:50 PM
>>>To: andrzej@chaeron.com; Todd Boyle
>>>Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>>>Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] New WSCI spec competes with BPSS....
>>> Todd says:
>>> > ebXML has some of the best scientists in the world, they have
>>>> already been through BPML and punctured some logical
>>>> holes in it.  And probably learned some useful things from it.
>>>Who's punctured logical holes in BPML?
>>>Let's not start any new standards-group-marketing rumors.
>>>The relationships between these groups are strange.
>>>BPSS and other ebXML+eBTWG projects have had
>>>high-quality participation from some people in both
>>>BPML and BTP.  To name two, Jean-Jacques Dubray
>>>of BPML and Tony Fletcher of BTP.  We've had some
>>>mutually-respectful conversations pointing to the strengths
>>>and fitness for use of each spec.  That is, each of them
>>>has particular best use-cases. Some of them could
>>>play together nicely. We can actually think about it together
>>>somewhat scientifically.
>>>Then you get the would-be marketroids
>>>from all of the groups who just want to diss
>>>"the competition".  Or "kill BPSS".
>>>We need Scott Adams to come up with a new
>>>Dilbert character for these guys.
>>>-Bob Haugen
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Peter Kacandes

Sr. Product Manager, Java XML APIs	phone number: 	408 276 7139, X17139
Java Software Products 			email:	peter.kacandes@sun.com

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