Re: [ebxml-dev] Web Services and ebXML

[Duane Nickull <duane@xmlglobal.com>]

Mark:

XML Global teaches these types of courses and cover this subject very
thoroughly.  We have developed modular courses in XML, WS, ebXML, XML
implementations, business use cases and tons of other subjects.  We can
put together a package that will cover off most topics in as fine a
detail as you want.

Please contact me offline for more details.  I personally teach the
ebXML courses.

Duane Nickull

> "Yader, Mark (GXS)" wrote:
> 
> This thread leads me into an issue that I have been dealing with. As
> an ebXML and Web services enthusiast, I have been trying to find
> training courses for both management and consultants/developers that
> covers (1) 1-2 days on Web services technology; (2) 1-2 days on ebXML
> technology; and (3) one day to compare/contrast the two and look at
> sample B2B implementations using both technologies.
> 
> Any recommendations ? Any training companies out there that can
> customize that type of course ?
> 
> Regards.......
> 
> Mark Yader
> GE GXS
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Jacques Dubray [mailto:jjd@eigner.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:29 AM
> To: 'bhaugen'; andrzej@chaeron.com; 'Todd Boyle'
> Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: RE: [ebxml-dev] New WSCI spec competes with BPSS....
> 
> Thank you Bob, I agree, it is far more important to define the
> articulation between the standards (and hopefully manage them to the
> correct alignment) rather than trying to "kill" or puncture holes.
> This
> has been my approach since the beginning. It is clear that BPML, Web
> Services and ebXML are complementary. BPML deals with the automation
> of
> internal business processes, Web Services provide the infrastructure
> by
> which all network components provide a homogenous way to interact with
> 
> them, and ebXML deals with B2B transaction and data exchange which
> have
> very specific (and precise) semantics as well as protocols. See
> without
> services, a workflow engine would have to know a lot about how to
> access
> a component. Web Services have flatten that out.
> 
> Web Services being a low level specification, it can also be used in a
> 
> lot of different scenarios (outside of BPML/ebXML). I certainly don't
> understand the animosity of Web Service guys towards ebXML. I wish an
> authority like Chris Ferris would step up and point at what's "rotten"
> 
> here. It will ultimately become an embarrassment to the Web Services
> community as they will hold positions that make less and less sense,
> throwing a shadow of doubt into the whole technology.
> 
> Overall, this whole thing is a very difficult subject, and what most
> of
> us want is something useable, not marketing crap wrapped in fancy HTML
> 
> pages.
> 
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> 
> 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: bhaugen [mailto:linkage@interaccess.com]
> >>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:50 PM
> >>To: andrzej@chaeron.com; Todd Boyle
> >>Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> >>Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] New WSCI spec competes with BPSS....
> >>
> >> Todd says:
> >>>
> >> > ebXML has some of the best scientists in the world, they have
> >>> already been through BPML and punctured some logical
> >>> holes in it.  And probably learned some useful things from it.
> >>
> >>Who's punctured logical holes in BPML?
> >>Let's not start any new standards-group-marketing rumors.
> >>
> >>The relationships between these groups are strange.
> >>BPSS and other ebXML+eBTWG projects have had
> >>high-quality participation from some people in both
> >>BPML and BTP.  To name two, Jean-Jacques Dubray
> >>of BPML and Tony Fletcher of BTP.  We've had some
> >>mutually-respectful conversations pointing to the strengths
> >>and fitness for use of each spec.  That is, each of them
> >>has particular best use-cases. Some of them could
> >>play together nicely. We can actually think about it together
> >>somewhat scientifically.
> >>
> >>Then you get the would-be marketroids
> >>from all of the groups who just want to diss
> >>"the competition".  Or "kill BPSS".
> >>
> >>We need Scott Adams to come up with a new
> >>Dilbert character for these guys.
> >>
> >>-Bob Haugen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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