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RE: Highlights of the changes between BPSS 1.01 and 1.1
- From: "Jean-Jacques Dubray" <jeanjadu@Attachmate.com>
- To: <conch@etri.re.kr>,<ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>
- Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:55:49 -0400
Title: Message
David:
most
of the comments here reflect my opinions. I am not necessarily speaking for a
group or anyone else.
the 5 people that have carried all the work for BPSS 1.1 since
January 2003 have resigned from the UN/CEFACT BPSS working group. All these
people have elected to work to OASIS ebBP (note that what is important in the
name of the TC is ebXML). My understanding is that the group will do whatever is
in the best interest of ebXML to provide a business process/collaboration
framework. I remain convinced today (after looking extensively at the web
service technology) that ebXML is still the best model for a large class of B2B
problems (maybe not the travel agent scenario or the loan approval one) but
pretty much everything else. Now that does not mean that ebXML should not be
layered on top of web services. It should ! And I think/hope this is what will
happen.
The TC
is not be bound anymore to follow something like UMM unless it is in the best
interest of ebXML. On of the issue in the past four years is that we had to
produce an exact subset of UMM, regardless of whether UMM fit in the ebXML
architecture or not or regardless of its limitations if we needed to go beyond
its capabilities. In addition, even though there seem to be a lot of good things
in UMM, it has been a constant moving target and each time I had
question, I had no one there to answer them. The UMM team does not use email to
communicate apparently. Can't be more open for a process.
On
August 21st, the UN/CEFACT and the TMG published a press release saying that all
the ebXML work was complete. This would terminate the relationship with OASIS.
Even if UN/CEFACT continues some work on the BPSS spec, I see two issues: 1) who
will carry this work. Many more people have signed up to the OASIS ebBP 2) we
can guess that no effort will be made by the TMG to align this effort with ebXML
(CPP/A for instance).
You
also have to consider that the process at OASIS is much clearer,
democratic and open, I have never heard of such interference as there has
been with the UN/DEFACT working group. Up until December 2002, our group had
followed the UN/CEFACT process to the letter, at this point Klaus Naujok
imposed a new project leader (Dave Welsh from Microsoft) and changed completely
the work of the group, arguing that UMM 12.0 was just completed and we should
immediately conform to it. Jim Clark from Microsoft had rewritten completely
BPSS, changing pretty much everything (e.g. Binary collaborations where not
there anymore !). Klaus and Dave Welsh at this point asked us to approve this
proposal as is, nothing could be discussed. Later Jim removed his proposal (he
was allowed to !) and we were allowed to continue. We just had lost 6 very
important months ! I can't believe that anyone would qualify what has
happened as an open process like the TMG is touting in its latest press release.
I can't be sure, but I don't think this kind of things will happen at OASIS. I
also don't think that anyone at OASIS will change the title, copyright notice
and authors without prior informing the team as this has happened at UN/CEFACT
TMG.
In
summary, I think that with ebBP you have the guaranty that the work will be
focused on ebXML and ebXML only, no hidden agenda, and that the process will be
open for anyone to contribute. We actually welcome anyone to join the technical
committee an be involved.
Jean-Jacques
tel: 425-649-6584
Cell: 508-333-7634
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JJ
thanks for the clear explanation. It really helped..
anyways what does below statement mean?
<quote>
See you in OASIS ebBP TC
for the next version
</quote>
you mean BPSS work is no longer carried out by TMG and OASIS
ebBP TC is now responsbile?
David Choi
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