Re: Standards, then mergers

["Matthew MacKenzie" <mattm@adobe.com>]

Are there really situations in which an XML message is _more_ incoherent than an equivalent EDI message?

And you know, we're out of the 9600 baud days.  Heck, I waste 128kbps on a internet radio stream half of the time, what's a few k for progress?

I think its the good ole folks not wanting to learn anything new, more than anything else.  Sorry if that is offensive to you, but I am really beyond these arguments.  
-matt
On Jul 13, 2004, at 2:28 PM, Hockemeyer, Gene wrote:

> Then too ... there are many good ole boys and girls out there .. that
> are not ready to trade a formatted 100k message ... for a voluminous
> sometimes very incoherent message.
>
> Gene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:00 PM
> To: Matthew MacKenzie
> Cc: dodds@e-dodds.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: Re: Standards, then mergers
>
> Matthew MacKenzie wrote:
> > Ed,
> >
> > When I started out with ebXML, I was hoping for a revolution. That was
> overly idealistic, for the reasons you state.
>
> Iraq? 
> (sorry couldn't resist;)
>
> > Evolution, however, is inevitable.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > On Jul 13, 2004, at 1:31 PM, Ed Dodds wrote:
> >
> >      Matthew:
> >
> >      First come standards -- then come mergers. I think there are a
> lot of good ol'
> >      boys and gals who don't want to have to compete for their jobs
> during the great
> >      shake out. Just look at the aversion the US's NPO sector (1.8
> million orgs
> >      strong) has to developing/adopting any kind of meaningful
> colloboration
> >      enabling standards...
> >
> >      Ed Dodds
> >      ---- Original message ----
> >
> >           Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:09:33 -0400
> >           From: Matthew MacKenzie <mattm@adobe.com>
> >           Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [xml-dev] Edi complexity, does ebxml
> really reduce
> >      it?]
> >
> >           To: Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> >           Cc: "ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org" <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>
> >
> >           Joe,
> >
> >           Standardized infrastructure that draws on the experience and
> knowledge
> >           of hundred of professional computer science and business
> operations
> >           people is ebXML.
> >
> >           Locally defined infrastructure defined by a small team of
> individuals
> >           with the only common point of the architecture being a file
> format is
> >           "EDI".
> >
> >           Its an aging argument that "we can do it with EDI", or "why
> not just
> >           design our own". An evolution has to take place in the way
> we do
> >           business, and the only way to clear the path for true
> business
> >           innovation is to agree on a lingua franca for how we
> integrate our
> >           businesses.
> >
> >           Regards,
> >
> >           Matthew MacKenzie
> >           Sr. Architect
> >           Adobe Systems
> >
> > ___________________________
> > Matthew MacKenzie
> > Senior Architect
> > IDBU Server Solutions
> > Adobe Systems Canada Inc.
> > http://www.adobe.com/products/server/
> > mattm@adobe.com
> > +1 (506) 871.5409
>
> -- 
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
>
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