Stephen,
I don't know. I try to stay away from Government issues as they seem to
smack
of
corruption to where I am standing. Millions of dollars have been taken
from tax
payers to fund e-commerce initiatives in Australia, and what are the
results ?.
The money seems to have dissapeared into politicians and their friends
back
pockets. Don't ask me, I didn't see anything!
I'm sure this isn't unique, the whole dot com thing was even bigger and
worse,
except when it was payday, and then it was quite good. But I think it's
back to
reality now and that's much better.
We see a lot of waste in business with faxing purchase orders. As you know
they
cost about $0.12c to send each one. Most of the companies I work with send
thousands upon thousands each year.
If these could be delivered for say 6c each and some sort of split for the
consultants/IT integrators, then I think this would be quite a good model.
The other issue is that the interest for XML documents is not that high in
the
real business world. We are finding that .PDFs are a better starting point
for
purchase-orders and then offer XML/EDI as an additional thing. At least
people
can
The only real alternative is to embed the logo of the company into the XML
document so that at least when it is received, it has a vague
resememblance to
a real world business document. Otherwise XML/ebXML is quite useless.
I do agree that for ebxml to succeed, it needs to be more inclusive.
Mobile
phone shops survive only because they receive ongoing commissions from the
telephone companies based on call charges from the phone that was sold.
imho
this is the only way that something like ebxml can actually grow and
survive in
the business world. People lose interest if there is nothing in it for
them.
VANs had there time, and are still going. But ebxml needs not only a solid
technical model, but a sound business model. Why can't it be like open
source
where everybody can make money out of it?
David
Quoting Stephen GOULD <sggould@oic.org>:
> David - you are right. Only Telecos, Banks and ISPs make money
> out of e-Commerce. IT professionals cannot earn a living out of
> e-commerce until we change the rules whereby people are paid for
> contributing and participating.
>
> This need for this change has been made in a submission to the
> Australian Government re the Aus-USA-Free Trade Agreement
> http://www.oic.org/z/XZIG/A/cs/ZXAAECS1.htm
>
> The full details of the submissions by the OIC XML & E-commerce
> Special Interest Group [XZIG] to the Senate Inquiry on the FTA can
> be reviewed on
> http://www.oic.org/z/XZIG/A/cs
>
> XZIG is concerned that as the US Government uses ANSI-X12 and
> Australia has a treaty obligation to use ISO Standards (EDIFACT)
> there is:
>
> 1 going to be an enormous invisible ISP translation cost for SMEs
>
> 2 time and date conflicts with the many varieties of ISO 8601
>
> 3 concerns ebXML has not provided a solution for a simple
> company name and address format that can be used by all
> applications
>
> This is why in 2002 XZIG members developed an XML Standard
> Government Tender template because there are 8 different tender
> formats with Australian State Government
> http://www.smeems.net/cpr/be/3she/a2eaesp4.htm
>
> This was submitted to ebXML Australia in 2002 but as far as we know it
> was not forwarded to the appropriate group for consideration
>
> Government tenders are the first step of the Government e-business
> process hence the need for a standard that all Government tenders
> use
> http://www.oic.org/guest.htm
>
> NEXT STEPS
>
> I would appreciate any feed-back on:
>
> 1 is an e-credits system acceptable as part of e-commerce contracts
>
> 2 how many US Government States use ANSI-X12
>
> 3 any people prepared to work on implementing a standard ebXML
> e-tender system as part of the Aus-USA-FTA
>
> If you would like to work on projects or any other Australian
> projects you are required to be a member of the Open Interchange
> Consortium
> http://www.oic.org/3d1.htm
>
> regards
>
> Stephen GOULD
> Chair - Management Committee
> XML & E-COMMERCE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP
> OPEN INTERCHANGE CONSORTIUM
>
> E: sggould@oic.org
> M: 0416-009-468
> T: {61}(2) 9953-7412
> W: http://www.oic.org/3a4a.htm
>
>
> On 15 Jul 04, at 9:53, davidlyon wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for replying to my earlier questions. It's making much more
sense
> now.
> >
> > My humble opinion is that there needs to be some better ways of making
> money
> > with ebxml than there is today.
> >
> > For example, with open source linux, I can build a file server based
on
> linux
> > and then supply it to my customers and get paid. Do some modifications
and
> get
> > paid for those. I make money the whole way along with linux.
> >
> > With ebxml there is no way to do the same thing; for a developer or
for a
> > consultant; whatever. That's the problem.
> >
> > Yes there are some free poducts, like the sun registry and others, but
they
> are
> > not really in a "saleable" form that I can give customers.
> >
> > There is also no central ebxml registry yet, for registering
companies.
> Even if
> > it was $10, it would give something to sell which would then help the
world
> go
> > round.
> >
> > Such a registry if it did exist, would need a code of conduct, so if
one
> company
> > sold an ebxml, all the other companies wouldn't just come along and
take
> the
> > customer. These are real issues for anybody trying to sell ebxml
software.
> > Interoperability can be a two edge sword.
> >
> > There is also a severe lack of programming components.
> >
> > Why does one have to have a whole ebxml stack? why are there no ebxml
> activeX
> > components that can be thrown onto a VB or Delphi App?
> >
> > I understand that ebxml might have started as a grand plan for
everything,
> but
> > it only needs to suffice as an electronic commerce framework where IT
> > professionals accross the world can make some money.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > Quoting "Monica J. Martin" <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>:
> >
> > > Jean-Jacques Dubray wrote:
> > >
> > > >Did you mean GSA or GXA? How do we know that any given stack is
> > > >"complete", what is the criteria to leave something out?
> > > >
> > > >JJ-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > mm1: Joe, what is the GXA umbrella anyway?
> > >
> > >
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