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Subject: Re: SV: FTP protocol support and use


Torsten,

I'd appreciate if you could dig up any info on that FTP binding.  I am 
currently writing a section for ebMS v3 that covers the FTP binding.

Thanks,

Matthew MacKenzie
Sr. Architect, Adobe
Editor, ebMS & ebSOA

On 21-Jul-04, at 7:43 AM, Torsten Kirschner wrote:

>
>
>
>  Hi,
>
> The EU TESS program (social security sector) is using its own
> implementation of ebMS over FTP i a pilot program. The program
> uses a standard, central FTP server where files are transferred.
> If that is of interest, I can dig up some more information as
> I am part of that TC.
>
> Except for the custom-built TESS ebMS software, I haven't seen
> any COTS ebMS over FTP solutions.
>
> Regarding ebXML transport protocol bindings, experience shows
> that every implementation supports HTTP/S as it is the minimum
> conformance requirement.
> SMTP only gained momentum whem actual cases required it.
> Using the Internet, ebMS over SMTP proves to be a challange
> for SPAM filters and vice versa.
>
> I attribute differences in various ebXML specification to the
> fact that these were developed by different groups.
>
> Matter of factly, I cannot see any limitations as to which
> transport protocol might be specified/used/implemented.
> X.400 and MQ come to mind, although each does a lot of what
> ebMS does to begin with. Substantial cost might be attached
> to such (ad)ventures, as this issue quickly reveals design time
> shortcuts in imlementations; i.e. am ebMS implementation not
> designet to actually support anything but HTTP/S might run
> into difficulties.
>
> At least FTP can be 8 bit clean in binary mode, thus relieving
> the implementation of special adaptations like transfer-encoding
> or line length limitations as with SMTP.
>
> ebXML and to some extent ebMS' independence of the actual
> transport is exactly what I like about the stack.
> Still, I have yet to see a full blown ebCPPA+ebMS supporting
> the "P" in TRP, anything but trivial security profiles
> including actual PKI support, not just PKC, and as You ask,
> a wider range of transport adapters.
>
> 	best regards
> 		Torsten
>
>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>> Fra: Pim van der Eijk [mailto:lists@sonnenglanz.net]
>> Sendt: 15. juli 2004 14:19
>> Til: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>> Kopi: 'Bryan Rasmussen'; 'Matthew MacKenzie'
>> Emne: FTP protocol support and use
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On a related note, in a customer environment, FTP is the de
>> facto app-to-app data exchange protocol.
>> It is used in several large scale production systems, is
>> supported by the network management
>> organization, allowed through gateways/firewalls etc. To
>> introduce a technology like ebXML Messaging
>> here, the ability to leverage this infrastructure would be an
>> advantage.
>>
>> I noted that whereas the CPPA specification (section 8.4.38)
>> seems to treat FTP as a supported
>> protocol on a same level as HTTP and SMTP and has several
>> useful guidelines, the ebXML Messaging
>> specification (appendix B) only discusses bindings to HTTP
>> and SMTP. I am interested in learning
>> about any issues with FTP one should be aware of, in
>> particular interoperability issues.
>>
>> Also, I would appreciate (anonymized) pointers to deployed
>> ebMS solutions that use ebMS over FTP.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Pim van der Eijk
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:matt@mac-kenzie.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:16 PM
>> To: Bryan Rasmussen
>> Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>> Subject: Re: message service agnosticism and http bindings
>>
>> Bryan,
>>
>> My experience is that HTTP is definitely the leader in usage,
>> but SMTP is also used fairly often.
>> Other protocols are on the fringes, mostly because we don't
>> define how to bind them in the
>> specification.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthew MacKenzie
>> Sr. Architect, Adobe Systems
>> Editor, OASIS ebXML Messaging TC
>>
>>
>> On 15-Jul-04, at 6:17 AM, Bryan Rasmussen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have any in the field observations as to how often
>> http is used
>>> for the message service and how often other protocols? If there are
>>> any particular protocols that are widely used in
>> competition with http
>>> in this case I would appreciate a note.
>>>
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