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Subject: Re: SV: FTP protocol support and use
Torsten, I'd appreciate if you could dig up any info on that FTP binding. I am currently writing a section for ebMS v3 that covers the FTP binding. Thanks, Matthew MacKenzie Sr. Architect, Adobe Editor, ebMS & ebSOA On 21-Jul-04, at 7:43 AM, Torsten Kirschner wrote: > > > > Hi, > > The EU TESS program (social security sector) is using its own > implementation of ebMS over FTP i a pilot program. The program > uses a standard, central FTP server where files are transferred. > If that is of interest, I can dig up some more information as > I am part of that TC. > > Except for the custom-built TESS ebMS software, I haven't seen > any COTS ebMS over FTP solutions. > > Regarding ebXML transport protocol bindings, experience shows > that every implementation supports HTTP/S as it is the minimum > conformance requirement. > SMTP only gained momentum whem actual cases required it. > Using the Internet, ebMS over SMTP proves to be a challange > for SPAM filters and vice versa. > > I attribute differences in various ebXML specification to the > fact that these were developed by different groups. > > Matter of factly, I cannot see any limitations as to which > transport protocol might be specified/used/implemented. > X.400 and MQ come to mind, although each does a lot of what > ebMS does to begin with. Substantial cost might be attached > to such (ad)ventures, as this issue quickly reveals design time > shortcuts in imlementations; i.e. am ebMS implementation not > designet to actually support anything but HTTP/S might run > into difficulties. > > At least FTP can be 8 bit clean in binary mode, thus relieving > the implementation of special adaptations like transfer-encoding > or line length limitations as with SMTP. > > ebXML and to some extent ebMS' independence of the actual > transport is exactly what I like about the stack. > Still, I have yet to see a full blown ebCPPA+ebMS supporting > the "P" in TRP, anything but trivial security profiles > including actual PKI support, not just PKC, and as You ask, > a wider range of transport adapters. > > best regards > Torsten > >> -----Opprinnelig melding----- >> Fra: Pim van der Eijk [mailto:lists@sonnenglanz.net] >> Sendt: 15. juli 2004 14:19 >> Til: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org >> Kopi: 'Bryan Rasmussen'; 'Matthew MacKenzie' >> Emne: FTP protocol support and use >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> On a related note, in a customer environment, FTP is the de >> facto app-to-app data exchange protocol. >> It is used in several large scale production systems, is >> supported by the network management >> organization, allowed through gateways/firewalls etc. To >> introduce a technology like ebXML Messaging >> here, the ability to leverage this infrastructure would be an >> advantage. >> >> I noted that whereas the CPPA specification (section 8.4.38) >> seems to treat FTP as a supported >> protocol on a same level as HTTP and SMTP and has several >> useful guidelines, the ebXML Messaging >> specification (appendix B) only discusses bindings to HTTP >> and SMTP. I am interested in learning >> about any issues with FTP one should be aware of, in >> particular interoperability issues. >> >> Also, I would appreciate (anonymized) pointers to deployed >> ebMS solutions that use ebMS over FTP. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Pim van der Eijk >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:matt@mac-kenzie.net] >> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:16 PM >> To: Bryan Rasmussen >> Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org >> Subject: Re: message service agnosticism and http bindings >> >> Bryan, >> >> My experience is that HTTP is definitely the leader in usage, >> but SMTP is also used fairly often. >> Other protocols are on the fringes, mostly because we don't >> define how to bind them in the >> specification. >> >> Regards, >> Matthew MacKenzie >> Sr. Architect, Adobe Systems >> Editor, OASIS ebXML Messaging TC >> >> >> On 15-Jul-04, at 6:17 AM, Bryan Rasmussen wrote: >> >>> >>> Anyone have any in the field observations as to how often >> http is used >>> for the message service and how often other protocols? If there are >>> any particular protocols that are widely used in >> competition with http >>> in this case I would appreciate a note. >>> >>> The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS >> <http://www.oasis-open.org> >>> The list archives are at http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription >>> manager: >>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/> >>> >> >> >> The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS >> <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at >> http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ >> To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the >> subscription manager: >> <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/> >> >> >> >> >> The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS >> <http://www.oasis-open.org> The >> list archives are at http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ >> To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the >> subscription manager: >> <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/> >> > > > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > The > list archives are at http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/ > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > manager: > <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/>
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