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Subject: MORE: [ebxml-mktg] FW: [ebxml-dev] Gartner and ebXML
Mark, Steve Capells notes are useful. An "Ah ha!" moment came to me over the last day and a half; why did I not see this more clearly before! Web services is exactly analogous to Realtime EDI. It's exactly like people have re-discovered Realtime EDI, over the Internet with XML and without having to have the dedicated networks (maybe!). Now what is interesting is that we (us old EDI bigots) know only too well the limitations and gotchas with realtime EDI from the school of hard knocks. I think it is about time we strongly go out there and say "web services = realtime EDI + XML + Internet, been there done that". Once people make this connection - its a small step for them to realize - OK - so now we understand the beast - we'd better get those same controls we needed with realtime EDI in place - and that folks is ebXML. And just like realtime EDI is a cousin of batch EDI, the same relationship exists here - ebXML leads and WS needs to follow. Looking at the history here, it is instructive to see that in ebXML Phase 1 - we explicitly put forms and realtime as out of scope - to make the work load achievable. Now of course - since IBM splintered off UDDI - we see that this whole "interactive" component is what they targetted - and that's OK - except to see this as the SOLE model for all interactions is clearly ludicrous - and the driver is the batch process driven backend systems (where fully 90% of the cost savings are), and these can be complimented by adding realtime interfaces for the human aspects of those backends, but you cannot replace batch model with ad hoc realtime. Does everyone agree with this view - and if so - then can we refine this here - and then take this message to the listservers in a big way over this coming week? Thanks, DW =============================================== Message text written by "Yader, Mark (GXS)" >I'd suggest that a major focus of the ebxml marketing group should be to work with Gartner on a series of papers focussed on "scalable interoperability" (or some other relevant title) that make the case for ebXML style "complex web services". The ebXML marketing group is free to use the attached white paper as a starting point.<
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