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Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: suggested values for POC using PIP3A4


I really think we should get this mail bounce thing sorted out. Karl is 
there anyway to sort this out ? I'm not a very efficient router.

Nick

>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:27:48 -0400
>From: Christopher Ferris <chris.ferris@east.sun.com>
>Organization: SunIT - EMA Applications Architecture
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I)
>X-Accept-Language: en
>To: Nicholas Kassem <Nick.Kassem@eng.sun.com>
>CC: ebxml-poc@lists.ebxml.org
>Subject: Re: Fwd: suggested values for POC using PIP3A4
>
>Nick,
>
>Please forward. I too am getting bounced (although
>I am on the list!)
>
>My comments below.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Chris
>
>Nicholas Kassem wrote:
> >
> > As requested. Nick.
> >
> > >Reply-To: <fho@webMethods.com>
> > >From: "Francis Ho" <francis.ho@webMethods.com>
> > >To: "Nicholas Kassem" <nick.kassem@eng.sun.com>
> > >Subject: suggested values for POC using PIP3A4
> > >Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:59:01 -0400
> > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
> > >Importance: Normal
> > >
> > >hi nick,
> > >
> > >can you post this to the ebXML-POC mailing list?
> > >
> > >My mail keeps on getting bounced.
> > >
> > >thanks,
> > >
> > >francis
> > >
> > >-----------------------------------------------
> > >In order to get the previous interoperability demo going (for Brussels),
> > >there had to be a lot of agreement and shared assumptions.  One good thing
> > >about using PIP3A4 to do this interoperability test is that the documents
> > >and processes associated with PIP3A4 are published and well known.
> > >Hopefully, getting trading partner agreements going should be much easier.
> > >However, there are still elements that need to be agreed upon and here are
> > >the header values that I suggest we use for the  interoperability test 
> using
> > >PIP3A4:
> > >
> > >Company Name     Duns #
> > >111111111        webMethods
> > >222222222        Sun Microsystems
> > >333333333        Vitria
> > >444444444        Fujitsu
> > >555555555        Viquity
> > >
> > >
> > >DocumentLabel    PIP3A4
>
>I'm not sre I'd go with the above. I would use the name of the
>message at each stage of the PIP for the DocumentLabel
>e.g. Pip3A4xxxYyyy (root element name of the document
>exchanged) as this is intended to help identify
>the content of the referenced bodypart. 'PIP3A4' would
>be too generic to be of much use in distinguishing
>between the various messages.
>
> > >DocumentId       cid:0987654321 (not sure on this)
>
>The DocumentId should be the GUID/UUID of the Content-ID of the
>bodypart containing the message payload. See RFC2111 for
>details (attached).
>
> > >
> > >
> > >MessageId              GUID to keep the messages unique
> > >RefToMessageId         MessageId
>
>The first message in a PIP should have an empty RefToMessageId
>element to indicate that it does not refer to a previous message
>in a series. Response messages should include the MessageId
>of the Request message which triggered the response.
>
> > >ReliableMessagingInfo  AtMostOnce
>
>It isn't at all clear to me how you intend to achieve this
>without benefit of the Reliable Messaging Spec details.
>I would suggest that for San Jose that you stick to
>'Unspecified' as the value of this element.
>
>I think that you probably want to agree to a BusinessServiceInterface
>name(s) as well as Action names corresponding to the various
>messages exchanged as part of PIP3A4.
>
> > >
> > >cheers,
> > >
> > >fh
> > >
> > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >Francis Ho
> > >Manager, Industry Products Group
> > >webMethods, Inc. (NASDAQ:WEBM)
> > >3930 Pender Drive
> > >Fairfax, VA  22030 USA
> > >Ofc:  703.460.2500
> > >Fax:  703.460.2599
> > >mailto: francis.ho@webmethods.com
> > >Url: http://www.webMethods.com
> > >
> > >We're Hiring: http://jobs.webmethods.com
> > >
> > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>--
>     _/_/_/_/ _/    _/ _/    _/ Christopher Ferris - Enterprise Architect
>    _/       _/    _/ _/_/  _/  Phone: 781-442-3063 or x23063
>   _/_/_/_/ _/    _/ _/ _/ _/   Email: chris.ferris@East.Sun.COM
>        _/ _/    _/ _/  _/_/    Sun Microsystems,  Mailstop: UBUR03-313
>_/_/_/_/  _/_/_/  _/    _/     1 Network Drive Burlington, MA 01803-0903
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>Network Working Group                                        E. Levinson
>Request for Comments: 2111                                   XIson, Inc.
>Category: Standards Track                                     March 1997
>
>
>           Content-ID and Message-ID Uniform Resource Locators
>
>Status of this Memo
>
>    This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the
>    Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for
>    improvements.  Please refer to the current edition of the "Internet
>    Official Protocol Standards" (STD 1) for the standardization state
>    and status of this protocol.  Distribution of this memo is unlimited.
>
>Abstract
>
>    The Uniform Resource Locator (URL) schemes, "cid:" and "mid:" allow
>    references to messages and the body parts of messages.  For example,
>    within a single multipart message, one HTML body part might include
>    embedded references to other parts of the same message.
>
>1. Introduction
>
>    The use of [MIME] within email to convey Web pages and their
>    associated images requires a URL scheme to permit the HTML to refer
>    to the images or other data included in the message.  The Content-ID
>    Uniform Resource Locator, "cid:", serves that purpose.
>
>    Similarly Net News readers use Message-IDs to link related messages
>    together.  The Message-ID URL provides a scheme, "mid:", to refer to
>    such messages as a "resource".
>
>    The "mid" (Message-ID) and "cid" (Content-ID) URL schemes provide
>    identifiers for messages and their body parts.  The "mid" scheme uses
>    (a part of) the message-id of an email message to refer to a specific
>    message.  The "cid" scheme refers to a specific body part of a
>    message; its use is generally limited to references to other body
>    parts in the same message as the referring body part.  The "mid"
>    scheme may also refer to a specific body part within a designated
>    message, by including the content-ID's address.
>
>    A note on terminology.  The terms "body part" and "MIME entity" are
>    used interchangeably.  They refer to the headers and body of a MIME
>    message, either the message itself or one of the body parts contained
>    in a Multipart message.
>
>
>
>
>
>Levinson                    Standards Track                     [Page 1]
>RFC 2111                    CID and MID URLs                  March 1997
>
>
>2. The MID and CID URL Schemes
>
>    RFC1738 [URL] reserves the "mid" and "cid" schemes for Message-ID and
>    Content-ID respectively.  This memorandum defines the syntax for
>    those URLs.  Because they use the same syntactic elements they are
>    presented together.
>
>    The URLs take the form
>
>         content-id    = url-addr-spec
>
>         message-id    = url-addr-spec
>
>         url-addr-spec = addr-spec  ; URL encoding of RFC 822 addr-spec
>
>         cid-url       = "cid" ":" content-id
>
>         mid-url       = "mid" ":" message-id [ "/" content-id ]
>
>       Note: in Internet mail messages, the addr-spec in a Content-ID
>       [MIME] or Message-ID [822] header are enclosed in angle brackets
>       (<>).  Since addr-spec in a Message-ID or Content-ID might contain
>       characters not allowed within a URL; any such character (including
>       "/", which is reserved within the "mid" scheme) must be hex-
>       encoded using the %hh escape mechanism in [URL].
>
>    A "mid" URL with only a "message-id" refers to an entire message.
>    With the appended "content-id", it refers to a body part within a
>    message, as does a "cid" URL.  The Content-ID of a MIME body part is
>    required to be globally unique.  However, in many systems that store
>    messages, body parts are not indexed independently their context
>    (message).  The "mid" URL long form was designed to supply the
>    context needed to support interoperability with such systems.
>
>    A implementation conforming to this specification is required to
>    support the "mid" URL long form (message-id/content-id).  Conforming
>    implementations can choose to, but are not required to, take
>    advantage of the content-id's uniqueness and interpret a "cid" URL to
>    refer to any body part within the message store.
>
>    In limited circumstances (e.g., within multipart/alternate), a single
>    message may contain several body parts that have the same Content-ID.
>    That occurs, for example, when identical data can be accessed through
>    different methods [MIME, sect. 7.2.3].  In those cases, conforming
>    implementations are required to use the rules of the containing MIME
>    entity (e.g., multi-part/alternate) to select the body part to which
>    the Content-ID refers.
>
>
>
>
>Levinson                    Standards Track                     [Page 2]
>RFC 2111                    CID and MID URLs                  March 1997
>
>
>    A "cid" URL is converted to the corresponding Content-ID message
>    header [MIME] by removing the "cid:" prefix, converting %hh hex-
>    escaped characters to their ASCII equivalents and enclosing the
>    remaining parts with an angle bracket pair, "<" and ">".  For
>    example, "mid:foo4%25foo1@bar.net" corresponds to
>
>         Message-ID: <foo4%foo1@bar.net>
>
>    A "mid" URL is converted to a Message-ID or Message-ID/Content-ID
>    pair in a similar fashion.
>
>    Both message-id and content-id are required to be globally unique.
>    That is, no two different messages will ever have the same Message-ID
>    addr-spec; no different body parts will ever have the same Content-ID
>    addr-spec.  A common technique used by many message systems is to use
>    a time and date stamp along with the local host's domain name, e.g.,
>    950124.162336@XIson.com.
>
>Some Examples
>
>    The following message contains an HTML body part that refers to an
>    image contained in another body part.  Both body parts are contained
>    in a Multipart/Related MIME entity.  The HTML IMG tag contains a
>    cidurl which points to the image.
>
>      From: foo1@bar.net
>      To: foo2@bar.net
>      Subject: A simple example
>      Mime-Version: 1.0
>      Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="boundary-example-1";
>                    type=Text/HTML
>
>      --boundary-example 1
>      Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset=US-ASCII
>
>      ... text of the HTML document, which might contain a hyperlink
>      to the other body part, for example through a statement such as:
>      <IMG SRC="cid:foo4*foo1@bar.net" ALT="IETF logo">
>
>      --boundary-example-1
>      Content-ID: foo4*foo1@bar.net
>      Content-Type: IMAGE/GIF
>      Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Levinson                    Standards Track                     [Page 3]
>RFC 2111                    CID and MID URLs                  March 1997
>
>
>      R0lGODlhGAGgAPEAAP/////ZRaCgoAAAACH+PUNvcHlyaWdodCAoQykgMTk5
>      NSBJRVRGLiBVbmF1dGhvcml6ZWQgZHVwbGljYXRpb24gcHJvaGliaXRlZC4A
>      etc...
>
>      --boundary-example-1--
>
>    The following message points to another message (hopefully still in
>    the recipient's message store).
>
>      From: bar@none.com
>      To: phooey@all.com
>      Subject: Here's how to do it
>      Content-type: text/html; charset=usascii
>
>      ...  The items in my
>      <A HREF= "mid:960830.1639@XIson.com/partA.960830.1639@XIson.com">
>      previous message</A>, shows how the approach you propose can be
>      used to accomplish ...
>
>3. Security Considerations
>
>    The URLs defined here provide an addressing or referencing mechanism.
>    The values of these URLs disclose no more about the originators
>    environment than the corresponding Message-ID and Content-ID values.
>    Where concern exists about such disclosures the originator of a
>    message using mid and cid URLs must take precautions to insure that
>    confidential information is not disclosed.  Those precautions should
>    already be in place to handle existing mail use of the Message-ID and
>    Content-ID.
>
>4. References
>
>[822]     Crocker, D., "Standard for the Format of ARPA Internet Text
>           Messages," August 1982, University of Delaware, STD 11, RFC
>           822.
>
>[MIME]    N. Borenstein, N. Freed, "MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail
>           Extensions) Part One:  Mechanisms for Specifying and
>           Describing the Format of Internet Message Bodies,"
>           September 1993, RFC 1521.
>
>[URL]     Berners-Lee, T., Masinter, L., and McCahill, M., "Uniform
>           Resource Locators (URL)," December 1994.
>
>[MULREL]  E. Levinson, "The MIME Multipart/Related Content-type,"
>           December 1995, RFC 1874.
>
>
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>
>Levinson                    Standards Track                     [Page 4]
>RFC 2111                    CID and MID URLs                  March 1997
>
>
>5. Acknowledgments
>
>    The original concept of "mid" and "cid" URLs were part of the Tim
>    Berners-Lee's original vision of the World Wide Web. The ideas and
>    design have benefited greatly by discussions with Harald Alvestrand,
>    Dan Connolly, Roy Fielding, Larry Masinter, Jacob Palme, and others
>    in the MHTML working group.
>
>6. Author's Address
>
>    Edward Levinson
>    47 Clive Street
>    Metuchen, NJ  08840-1060
>    USA
>    +1 908 549 3716
>    <XIson@cnj.digex.net>
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