RE: Implicit CPP/CPA for Registry and Registry client

["Nieman, Scott" <Scott.Nieman@NorstanConsulting.com>]

You know my vote on this.  We can specify CPP/CPA, potential extensions, and
reference TP specs without using the words implicit or explicit.

The more we introduce words that are need to be "explained" since we alter
their meaning, the more our specs look confusing.  I am sure that QRT would
be supportive of dropped unneeded terminology.

Scott 

-----Original Message-----
From: Farrukh Najmi
To: Scott Hinkelman
Cc: Farrukh Najmi; Nieman, Scott; 'ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org '
Sent: 4/4/01 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: Implicit CPP/CPA for Registry and Registry client

Scott,

As state in my earlier email

> This has been the operating assumption as recently as our meetings
last
> week.
> Please discuss this now if there are different opinions on this.

Operating assumptions have been known to be wrong. We very much need to
get any
issues on this resolved. The choice needs to be ours as a team. So your
thoughts on the subject would be quite helpful.

Scott Hinkelman wrote:

> Farrukh,
> I merely provided the roots of this terminology. I will not debate
your
> choice of what to do with it.
>
> Scott Hinkelman, Senior Software Engineer
> XML Industry Enablement
> IBM e-business Standards Strategy
> 512-823-8097 (TL 793-8097) (Cell: 512-940-0519)
> srh@us.ibm.com, Fax: 512-838-1074
>
> Farrukh Najmi <najmi@east.sun.com> on 04/04/2001 07:46:04 AM
>
> To:   Scott Hinkelman/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
> cc:   Farrukh Najmi <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>, "Nieman, Scott"
>       <Scott.Nieman@NorstanConsulting.com>,
"'ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org
>       '" <ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org>
> Subject:  Re: Implicit CPP/CPA for Registry and Registry client
>
> Scott,
>
> The CPP/CPA I am working on is a template as opposed to actual one.
The
> registry does not require any CPA negotiation for clients to interact
with
> it.
> The purpose of the CPP/CPA in teh spec would be to tell clients and
> registries
> what is expeted of them (e.g. what BP processes they must implement
etc.).
> There is no requirement that a client or a service actually use a CPP
or
> CPA.
> Thus I feel this is implicit and not explicit by your own definitions.
>
> Note that the registry of registries case is special since in that
case it
> is
> likely that each registry would register its own explicit CPP in the
> registry
> of registries. However, a client is free to use an implicit CPP for a
> registry
> by simply plugging in the registry URI in the implicit CPP.
>
> Scott Hinkelman wrote:
>
> > Terminology issue. The word 'Implicit CPA' came from original
discussions
> > we had in TRP, where some folks believe that there does not have to
be an
> > explicit CPA to use TRP byitself (I support this in theory also).
What
> you
> > are working on is an Explicit CPA template.
> >
> > Scott Hinkelman, Senior Software Engineer
> > XML Industry Enablement
> > IBM e-business Standards Strategy
> > 512-823-8097 (TL 793-8097) (Cell: 512-940-0519)
> > srh@us.ibm.com, Fax: 512-838-1074
> >
> > Farrukh Najmi <najmi@east.sun.com> on 04/04/2001 07:30:47 AM
> >
> > To:   "Nieman, Scott" <Scott.Nieman@NorstanConsulting.com>
> > cc:   "'Farrukh Najmi '" <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>,
> >       "'ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org '"
<ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org>
> > Subject:  Re: Implicit CPP/CPA for Registry and Registry client
> >
> > By implicit I mean that there is no need for a negotiated CPA.
Negotiated
> > CPA
> > between registry and client is a valid but more advanced need IMHO.
It
> > seems
> > adeqauet for now to spec the template CPP/CPA in the registry specs
and
> > expect
> > that individual clients will fill in the URL etc. for the registry
and be
> > able
> > to do interactions with it as deined by RS spec and the BP
specification
> > schema
> > that will be added to it by end of next week.
> >
> > This has been the operating assumption as recently as our meetings
last
> > week.
> > Please discuss this now if there are different opinions on this.
> >
> > "Nieman, Scott" wrote:
> >
> > > Farrukh,
> > >
> > > Help me out on this one.
> > >
> > > If you are basing the CPP/CPA on the TP/BP work, would not this be
an
> > > "explicit" CPP/CPA, which is what I have been suggesting for a
while?
> > > Implicit suggests that the physical CPP does not exist, but is
implied.
> > >
> > > im·plic·it (m-plst) adj. Implied or understood though not directly
> > expressed
> > >
> > > I really believe the physical CPP must exist to understand the
> > capabilities
> > > of a registry.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Farrukh Najmi
> > > To: ebxml-regrep@lists.ebxml.org
> > > Sent: 4/4/01 6:47 AM
> > > Subject: Implicit CPP/CPA for Registry and Registry client
> > >
> > > I wanted to remind the team that I am working on an action item
from
> our
> > > last meeting to re-introduce the implicit CPP/CPA for the registry
and
> > > registry client. These were removed from the spec when we got
woefully
> > > out of date with the TP teams specs. My action item is to bring
them
> > > up-to-date with current TP and BP specs.
> > >
> > > So yes the registry will have an implicit template CPP in the spec
> > > defined in terms of the TP and BP specs as will the registry
client.
> The
> > > two CPPs will be used in much the same way as 2 parties that wish
to
> > > conduct eBuisness together. This has always been the intent of our
> > > specs.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Farrukh
> > >
> > >  <<Card for Farrukh Najmi>>
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Farrukh
>
> --
> Regards,
> Farrukh

--
Regards,
Farrukh


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