Re: UDDI initiative led by Microsoft and IBM

[Tim McGrath <tmcgrath@tedis.com.au>]

thank you for responding so quickly in what must be a busy time for you. i just
would like a bit more clarification.

i can see how at a personal level you can champion this relationship but it
does not answer the question of why ebXML cannot be promoted (or at least
mentioned as synergistic) with these announcements.

My understanding is that ebXML is not competitive with UDDI.  UDDI is an
enabling mechanism to facilitate e-commerce, a flavour of which can be ebXML.
However, UDDI is building systems that overlap with work done in the RegRep
Team and I would assume the BP and Core Components and therefore Technical
Architecture as well.  These are 'corners of intersection'.

I agree that all participants in ebXML have their own commercial strategies.
it is not the UDDI strategy that is at issue (we must accept it at least) - it
is the way it is 'officially' presented as not related to ebXML that gives
concerns to other participants (well, me at least!).

i think the assurances other ebXML participants and business organisations
(well,me at least)  would like lies in someone defining:
* what are the mechanisms by which UDDI and ebXML will share technologies
('cover the corners')?
* how can we ensure ebXML and UDDI are aligned/ compatible?
* are these questions being addressed within the UDDI initiative as well?


Robert S Sutor/Watson/IBM wrote:

> I say good things about ebXML whenever I do talk to the press.
> I have not done any interviews personally about UDDI yet (it is being
> handled
> now by higher level execs), though I will make the connections in
> interviews I expect to start doing later this week.
>
> ..........................................................
> Bob Sutor
> Program Director, XML Technology
> Office 716-243-2445 / IBM Tieline 320-9138
> Fax 716-243-1778 / Cellular 716-317-6899
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> sutor@us.ibm.com  -  http://www.ibm.com/xml
>
> Tim McGrath <tmcgrath@tedis.com.au> on 09/05/2000 08:26:44 PM
>
> Please respond to tmcgrath@tedis.com.au
>
> To:   Robert S Sutor/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> cc:   ebxml-stc <ebxml-stc@lists.ebxml.org>,
>       ebxml-awareness@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject:  Re: UDDI initiative led by Microsoft and IBM
>
> the obvious question that this raises is - why not say so publicly?
>
> many of us are trying to explain and promote ebXML in our regions and this
> kind
> of announcement (or at least the spin taken by the article) does not
> strengthen
> the cause.
>
> i would appreciate some points i can use to explain this to the markets
> here in
> Australia.
>
> Robert S Sutor/Watson/IBM wrote:
>
> > Since the formal announcement is tomorrow, I have not made any comments
> > because of NDAs. I will brief the Steering Committee at tomorrow's call.
> In
> > the
> > meanwhile, let me just say that I think that this technology will allow a
> > significant
> > opportunity for people to use ebXML technology to actually do business
> with
> > their trading partners.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > ..........................................................
> > Bob Sutor
> > Program Director, XML Technology
> > Office 716-243-2445 / IBM Tieline 320-9138
> > Fax 716-243-1778 / Cellular 716-317-6899
> > Text messaging 7163176899@messaging.sprintpcs.com
> > sutor@us.ibm.com  -  http://www.ibm.com/xml
> >
> > "Glushko, Bob" <Bob.glushko@commerceone.com> on 09/05/2000 11:40:57 AM
> >
> > To:   ebxml-stc <ebxml-stc@lists.ebxml.org>,
> >       ebxml-awareness@lists.ebxml.org
> > cc:
> > Subject:  UDDI initiative led by Microsoft and IBM
> >
> > If you didn't see this article in today's NY Times about the UDDI
> > initiative
> > then you might be surprised by it. It seems that IBM and Microsoft have
> > been
> > working together to build an ecommerce registry for business and service
> > descriptions called the Universal Description, Discovery and Integration
> > project.  A few days ago they revealed their imminent annoucement and
> > invited Commerce One, Sun, and a few other leading ecommerce players to
> > join
> > them.  Since Commerce One has always been a proponent of open standards,
> we
> > were at first highly disappointed, especially by IBM's presence in the
> > initiative since they have been so active in ebXML, but decided that we
> > should go along in the hope that our presence can help ensure that this
> > effort proceeds in as open a way as possible since we all agree that we
> > need
> > the kind of facility that UDDI describes. It appears that Sun made the
> same
> > choice, and is also listed as an endorser in this article.
> >
> > It is clear from the story here, however, that neither Microsoft nor IBM
> > revealed this effort to ebxml because it isn't mentioned at all. Note
> that
> > the eco framework project from Commercenet, which has made some
> significant
> > intellectual contributions to the ebxml work in the BP area, is
> mentioned,
> > but somewhat negatively as having lost momentum and in doing so opening
> the
> > door for this Microsoft/IBM alliance.
> >
> > In any case, the overlap with ebxml's goals is significant, and we need
> to
> > determine how we can position our efforts now that this announcement will
> > come out with details on Wednesday (and the inevitable marketing
> juggernaut
> > from Microsoft and IBM that will probably follow).
> >
> > bob glushko
>
> --
> regards
> tim mcgrath
> TEDIS   fremantle  western australia 6160
> phone: +618 93352228  fax: +618 93352142

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regards
tim mcgrath
TEDIS   fremantle  western australia 6160
phone: +618 93352228  fax: +618 93352142

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