RE: drop ship v 8 for discussion

["Welsh, David" <David.Welsh@nordstrom.com>]

 Bob,
 It's been my experience, when setting up the 'b2b relation', 
 that getting thru the syntactic signal/message issues is 
 manageable, but getting the semantic 'triggers' / economic 
 events dow to work the right way is what it's all about; that 
 makes a successful b2b relationship work over time. (it's 
 like putting a set of gears connecting 2 company's together, 
 each gear driven by each company internal business process (& 
 system(s)), and when the 2 gears connect cleanly then there's a 
 clear 'company business process state to the other company 
 business state' ... economic event !!) -- strange ... gears 
 in a digital economy !
  
 Dave

 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Haugen [mailto:linkage@interaccess.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 2:56 PM
> > To: 'Welsh, David'; ebxml-ccbp-analysis@lists.ebxml.org
> > Subject: RE: drop ship v 8 for discussion
> > 
> > 
> > David,
> > 
> > These are critical ideas.  They are the same as the issues
> > around recognition of economic events, that is, the "trigger point"
> > is when the economic event officially can be recognized.
> > 
> > It is also clear that the business process must declare the
> > trigger points - they can't be determined unambiguously from
> > document type or content, they're part of the agreed-upon rules
> > of collaboration.
> > 
> > <David Welsh>
> >  'trigger points' that occur within the business processes at the
> > transaction level. For example :
> > 1. in Order Fulfillment, in the drop ship scenario, the point 
> > of sale occurs
> > when the DSVendor sends back the PO Ack to the Retailer; and 
> > not earlier.
> > This may be more of a general business condition on the whole 
> > (round trip)
> > transaction itself.
> > 2. in Ship Goods, again in the scenario, the 
> > "Shipper.Shipment Instruction"
> > needs to be made well in advance of actual transport of 
> > export of goods
> > (well it's supposed to be but the carrier's sales guy might tell you
> > something else if your a big shipper). 
> > 3. in Order Fulfillment, with "Shipper.Notify of Advanced 
> > shipment", to
> > really get compatible transactions between the 2 parties, it 
> > must be clear
> > as to which point in the shipper's process the 'signal' is 
> > 'triggered' to
> > inform the Retailer of product shipment. ie. after the 
> > product has been
> > picked/packed and shipped which is desirable, or only after 
> > the pick list
> > has been printed which can lead to inventory discrepancies and other
> > problems for this business model.
> > </David Welsh>
> > 
> > -Bob Haugen
> > 
>