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Subject: Re: What do people really expect from ebXML? - Core Components -Transactions!

Title: RE: What do people really expect from ebXML? - Core components..
People need transactions !
How can ebXML ever work if it doesn't have transactions ?
I was led to believe that ebXML was all about defining some standard XML transactions for eb.
What the world expects is some simple XML documents for:
 - Product Catalogs
 - Purchase Orders
 - Invoices/Receipts
 - Payment Advices
 - Statement of Accounts
The work isn't hard. There are hundreds of different definitions around and thousands of people who will willingly do the work.
All that is needed is just to choose one simple set, document it, and go through a revision process just as with EDI. That's what I've been told ebXML would be doing.
Presently, the problem isn't lack of XML definitions, it's having a well balanced set.
Operating under the auspices of the United Nations, and the way that ebXML is marketed, a lot of people with EDI experience have been given the impression that ebXML will define some XML transactions not dissimilar to EDI. That is *a very real expectation*.
People really are expecting an XML transaction set from ebXML. Especially those with an EDI background.
Take care
David Lyon
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:36 PM
Subject: RE: What do people really expect from ebXML? - Core components..


        ebXML has never intended to create transactions as a deliverable.  In fact, ebXML does not even have a requirement to develop the specifications to develop them.  Is this a failure of ebXML  - in my opinion yes.  Do we need these documents quickly - yes.  Is it best if a single consistent approach to schema design, naming conventions, use of ancillary W3C specifications is developed by an international, neutral standards body - yes.  Will we get them quickly - doubtful if after 18 months we still don't have an agreement on what it is we are developing a process for.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Lyon [mailto:djlyon@one.net.au]
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 11:01 PM
> To: ebxml-core@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: Re: What do people really expect from ebXML? - Core
> components..
> All,
> We really need some XML specifications for the core
> components of ebXML, as
> we have products that we really want to ship later in the year.
> It appears as though there are some difficulties in defining the core
> components, although I note there have been some good efforts in the
> directory area and so forth.
> If ebXML needs to produce documentation quickly, then I would suggest
> concentrating on the most important things as far as eb is concerned.
> In my opinion, there are four documents that need to be
> designed, or adapted
> from existing patterns.
> They are:
>                  (1) The Purchase Order
>                  (2) The Invoice / Receipt / ASN
>                  (3) The Payment Advice
>                  (4) The Statement of Account
> With documentation that describes these four documents, a lot
> of pressure on
> ebXML could be dissapated.
> I've seen that we have quite a few people here who are
> sufficiently skilled
> to make a start on these components. Also, Edifact/X12 could
> quite easily be
> stripped to produce a relatively simple subset. It doesn't need to do
> everything, only the basic stuff.
> Forgive my optimism, but we have Customers who really want to
> bash some of
> these messages around. It's costing me money every day that
> ebXML is not
> going, so if called upon, I'd certainly be willing to help.
> Take care all
> David Lyon
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