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Subject: RE: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !

Original SOAP spec came from Dave Winer @ UserLand as well as Microsoft.

A Brief History of SOAP


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-----Original Message-----
From: chris.ferris@sun.com [mailto:chris.ferris@sun.com]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:27 AM
To: brad.lund@intel.com
Cc: goffinf@hotmail.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !


Just to be clear...

The ebXML SOAP extensions did NOT come from Microsoft, they were
developed by the ebXML Messaging team although Microsoft
did participate briefly in the review of the extensions
after they were developed.



Lund, Brad wrote:

> I am not sure where you are getting this from.  I know for a fact that 
> has a presence on both the ebXML CPPA and Messaging specification
> development teams.  As for Microsoft's support, I am not sure I have 
> what you are claiming, do you have a link or some other why to 
> this? I know that ebXML Messaging uses SOAP extensions which clearly 
> out of Microsoft.  Vendor support, well, better than 95% of the people
> developing the ebXML specifications are vendors i.e. Tibco, Intel,
> SeeBeyond, IBM, SUN, Commerce One, WebMethods, Sterling, etc.  ebXML 
> wide industry support and acceptance. The current version of the 
> specification is going before the Oasis board for review with the CPPA
> specification to follow shortly.
> So, I feel that your title " ebXML has failed !" is very wrong!!!  and 
> really should try to use a different approach!
> bl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fraser Goffin [mailto:goffinf@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:38 AM
> To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !
> Not trying to start a flame war, but having recently read Michael 
> set of articles which paint a somewhat pessimistic assessment of what 
> come out of the 18 months to establish the ebXML specifications, I am 
> naturally somewhat concerned.
> Does anyone feel able to offer some more encouraging words ?
> My company is at the very stages of a web services strategy and of 
course we
> want to back those standards which are going to have a sustainable 
> presence. Clearly this is not a precise science but, again recently I 
> that Microsoft have actively disagreed with the concept (need for) 
> Whereas Micorosofts' endorcement is certainly not a requirement, like 
> others, my organisation is a pretty large user of MS technolgies and 
> opinions and ultimately their support in our IT initatives can be 
> significant factors of choice (certainly in the hearts and minds of 
> management). Again I'm looking for the views of other ebXML developers 
> organisations, so that I have a balanced view of the pros/cons 
arguments and
> can deal with any 'knee jerk' reactions that might arise from various 
> quarters.
> In terms of vendor support, has IBM commented on ebXML ?
> Maybe I read too much :-)
> Cheers
> Fraser.
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