RE: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !

[Michael_Dockham@cargill.com]

Original SOAP spec came from Dave Winer @ UserLand as well as Microsoft.

A Brief History of SOAP
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/04/04/soap.html

-Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: chris.ferris@sun.com [mailto:chris.ferris@sun.com]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:27 AM
To: brad.lund@intel.com
Cc: goffinf@hotmail.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !


Brad,

Just to be clear...

The ebXML SOAP extensions did NOT come from Microsoft, they were
developed by the ebXML Messaging team although Microsoft
did participate briefly in the review of the extensions
after they were developed.

Cheers,

Chris


Lund, Brad wrote:

> I am not sure where you are getting this from.  I know for a fact that 
IBM
> has a presence on both the ebXML CPPA and Messaging specification
> development teams.  As for Microsoft's support, I am not sure I have 
heard
> what you are claiming, do you have a link or some other why to 
substantiate
> this? I know that ebXML Messaging uses SOAP extensions which clearly 
came
> out of Microsoft.  Vendor support, well, better than 95% of the people
> developing the ebXML specifications are vendors i.e. Tibco, Intel,
> SeeBeyond, IBM, SUN, Commerce One, WebMethods, Sterling, etc.  ebXML 
has
> wide industry support and acceptance. The current version of the 
Messaging
> specification is going before the Oasis board for review with the CPPA
> specification to follow shortly.
> 
> So, I feel that your title " ebXML has failed !" is very wrong!!!  and 
you
> really should try to use a different approach!
> 
> bl
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fraser Goffin [mailto:goffinf@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:38 AM
> To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !
> 
> 
> Not trying to start a flame war, but having recently read Michael 
Rawlins 
> set of articles which paint a somewhat pessimistic assessment of what 
has 
> come out of the 18 months to establish the ebXML specifications, I am 
> naturally somewhat concerned.
> 
> Does anyone feel able to offer some more encouraging words ?
> 
> My company is at the very stages of a web services strategy and of 
course we
> 
> want to back those standards which are going to have a sustainable 
market 
> presence. Clearly this is not a precise science but, again recently I 
read 
> that Microsoft have actively disagreed with the concept (need for) 
ebXML. 
> Whereas Micorosofts' endorcement is certainly not a requirement, like 
many 
> others, my organisation is a pretty large user of MS technolgies and 
their 
> opinions and ultimately their support in our IT initatives can be 
> significant factors of choice (certainly in the hearts and minds of 
senior 
> management). Again I'm looking for the views of other ebXML developers 
/user
> 
> organisations, so that I have a balanced view of the pros/cons 
arguments and
> 
> can deal with any 'knee jerk' reactions that might arise from various 
> quarters.
> 
> In terms of vendor support, has IBM commented on ebXML ?
> 
> Maybe I read too much :-)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Fraser.
> 
> 
> 
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