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Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !


Right, that's what I meant, just got the companies mixed
up.

Appologies to the original authors.

Chris

Michael_Dockham@cargill.com wrote:

> Original SOAP spec came from Dave Winer @ UserLand as well as Microsoft.
> 
> A Brief History of SOAP
> http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/04/04/soap.html
> 
> -Michael
> 
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <Signature>
>      <Name>Michael Dockham</Name>
>      <Company>Cargill, Inc.</Company>
>      <Department>Food I/T</Department>
>      <Job_Desc>Strategy &amp; Architecture - Technical 
> Architect</Job_Desc>
>      <Phone>952.984.0877</Phone>
>   <EMail>michael_dockham@cargill.com</EMail>
>      <WebSite>http://www.cargill.com/</WebSite>
> </Signature> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chris.ferris@sun.com [mailto:chris.ferris@sun.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:27 AM
> To: brad.lund@intel.com
> Cc: goffinf@hotmail.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !
> 
> 
> Brad,
> 
> Just to be clear...
> 
> The ebXML SOAP extensions did NOT come from Microsoft, they were
> developed by the ebXML Messaging team although Microsoft
> did participate briefly in the review of the extensions
> after they were developed.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> Lund, Brad wrote:
> 
> 
>>I am not sure where you are getting this from.  I know for a fact that 
>>
> IBM
> 
>>has a presence on both the ebXML CPPA and Messaging specification
>>development teams.  As for Microsoft's support, I am not sure I have 
>>
> heard
> 
>>what you are claiming, do you have a link or some other why to 
>>
> substantiate
> 
>>this? I know that ebXML Messaging uses SOAP extensions which clearly 
>>
> came
> 
>>out of Microsoft.  Vendor support, well, better than 95% of the people
>>developing the ebXML specifications are vendors i.e. Tibco, Intel,
>>SeeBeyond, IBM, SUN, Commerce One, WebMethods, Sterling, etc.  ebXML 
>>
> has
> 
>>wide industry support and acceptance. The current version of the 
>>
> Messaging
> 
>>specification is going before the Oasis board for review with the CPPA
>>specification to follow shortly.
>>
>>So, I feel that your title " ebXML has failed !" is very wrong!!!  and 
>>
> you
> 
>>really should try to use a different approach!
>>
>>bl
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Fraser Goffin [mailto:goffinf@hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:38 AM
>>To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>>Subject: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !
>>
>>
>>Not trying to start a flame war, but having recently read Michael 
>>
> Rawlins 
> 
>>set of articles which paint a somewhat pessimistic assessment of what 
>>
> has 
> 
>>come out of the 18 months to establish the ebXML specifications, I am 
>>naturally somewhat concerned.
>>
>>Does anyone feel able to offer some more encouraging words ?
>>
>>My company is at the very stages of a web services strategy and of 
>>
> course we
> 
>>want to back those standards which are going to have a sustainable 
>>
> market 
> 
>>presence. Clearly this is not a precise science but, again recently I 
>>
> read 
> 
>>that Microsoft have actively disagreed with the concept (need for) 
>>
> ebXML. 
> 
>>Whereas Micorosofts' endorcement is certainly not a requirement, like 
>>
> many 
> 
>>others, my organisation is a pretty large user of MS technolgies and 
>>
> their 
> 
>>opinions and ultimately their support in our IT initatives can be 
>>significant factors of choice (certainly in the hearts and minds of 
>>
> senior 
> 
>>management). Again I'm looking for the views of other ebXML developers 
>>
> /user
> 
>>organisations, so that I have a balanced view of the pros/cons 
>>
> arguments and
> 
>>can deal with any 'knee jerk' reactions that might arise from various 
>>quarters.
>>
>>In terms of vendor support, has IBM commented on ebXML ?
>>
>>Maybe I read too much :-)
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Fraser.
>>
>>
>>
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