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Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed !
Right, that's what I meant, just got the companies mixed up. Appologies to the original authors. Chris Michael_Dockham@cargill.com wrote: > Original SOAP spec came from Dave Winer @ UserLand as well as Microsoft. > > A Brief History of SOAP > http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/04/04/soap.html > > -Michael > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> > <Signature> > <Name>Michael Dockham</Name> > <Company>Cargill, Inc.</Company> > <Department>Food I/T</Department> > <Job_Desc>Strategy & Architecture - Technical > Architect</Job_Desc> > <Phone>952.984.0877</Phone> > <EMail>michael_dockham@cargill.com</EMail> > <WebSite>http://www.cargill.com/</WebSite> > </Signature> > > -----Original Message----- > From: chris.ferris@sun.com [mailto:chris.ferris@sun.com] > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:27 AM > To: brad.lund@intel.com > Cc: goffinf@hotmail.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org > Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed ! > > > Brad, > > Just to be clear... > > The ebXML SOAP extensions did NOT come from Microsoft, they were > developed by the ebXML Messaging team although Microsoft > did participate briefly in the review of the extensions > after they were developed. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > Lund, Brad wrote: > > >>I am not sure where you are getting this from. I know for a fact that >> > IBM > >>has a presence on both the ebXML CPPA and Messaging specification >>development teams. As for Microsoft's support, I am not sure I have >> > heard > >>what you are claiming, do you have a link or some other why to >> > substantiate > >>this? I know that ebXML Messaging uses SOAP extensions which clearly >> > came > >>out of Microsoft. Vendor support, well, better than 95% of the people >>developing the ebXML specifications are vendors i.e. Tibco, Intel, >>SeeBeyond, IBM, SUN, Commerce One, WebMethods, Sterling, etc. ebXML >> > has > >>wide industry support and acceptance. The current version of the >> > Messaging > >>specification is going before the Oasis board for review with the CPPA >>specification to follow shortly. >> >>So, I feel that your title " ebXML has failed !" is very wrong!!! and >> > you > >>really should try to use a different approach! >> >>bl >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Fraser Goffin [mailto:goffinf@hotmail.com] >>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:38 AM >>To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org >>Subject: [ebxml-dev] ebXML has failed ! >> >> >>Not trying to start a flame war, but having recently read Michael >> > Rawlins > >>set of articles which paint a somewhat pessimistic assessment of what >> > has > >>come out of the 18 months to establish the ebXML specifications, I am >>naturally somewhat concerned. >> >>Does anyone feel able to offer some more encouraging words ? >> >>My company is at the very stages of a web services strategy and of >> > course we > >>want to back those standards which are going to have a sustainable >> > market > >>presence. Clearly this is not a precise science but, again recently I >> > read > >>that Microsoft have actively disagreed with the concept (need for) >> > ebXML. > >>Whereas Micorosofts' endorcement is certainly not a requirement, like >> > many > >>others, my organisation is a pretty large user of MS technolgies and >> > their > >>opinions and ultimately their support in our IT initatives can be >>significant factors of choice (certainly in the hearts and minds of >> > senior > >>management). Again I'm looking for the views of other ebXML developers >> > /user > >>organisations, so that I have a balanced view of the pros/cons >> > arguments and > >>can deal with any 'knee jerk' reactions that might arise from various >>quarters. >> >>In terms of vendor support, has IBM commented on ebXML ? >> >>Maybe I read too much :-) >> >>Cheers >> >>Fraser. >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >
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