RE: [ebxml-dev] Anyone else rather perturbed by IBM's recentannouncement....

[David Fischer <david@drummondgroup.com>]

When MS decided to go with SOAP, we insisted on written release of IPR from all
participants prior to go-ahead (I can't find those written releases anywhere on
the website????).

Actually, v2.0 of CPA is not yet approved by the TC.  Perhaps we should look
into stripping anything proprietary from IBM out of the spec prior to
acceptance?

David Fischer
Drummond Group.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rawlins [mailto:mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:52 PM
To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] Anyone else rather perturbed by IBM's recent
announcement....


I can't comment on the validity of IBM's claims.  However, I do know
that when IBM's tpaML work was brought into ebXML, representations were
made to the ebXML steering committee that IBM was signing all rights to
tpaML over to ebXML.  Obviously, some details needed to be worked out
since ebXML never formally existed as a legal entity.  The rights would
have to have been assigned to one or both of the two sponsoring
organizations - UN/CEFACT or OASIS.

Had we on the steering committee known that tpaML might somehow be
encumbered, I feel fairly confident that we would have voted against
accepting the submission.

This makes you wonder where we really stand in regard to the MSS use of
SOAP with attachments.  I recall some mention of RAND terms, but don't
recall how it finally came out.  Can anyone clarify?

This news is really disappointing.  If ebXML is going to fail, I would
much rather see it do so on its own deficiencies rather than
intellectual property issues.

Mike

Norman Richards wrote:

>>IBM has a patent covering electronic agreements which dates from before the
>>ebXML CPA work started.  We disclosed it recently in accordance with OASIS
>>policy which is "reasonable and nondiscriminatory licensing" (RAND).
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>  This is quite disturbing.  I had no idea OASIS permitted patent abuse in it's
>process.  This could seriously harm the adoption of ebXML.
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>  Can anyone comment on the validity of IBM's claim?
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