RE: Fwd: [ebxml-dev] Gartner and ebXML

["Michael C. Rawlins" <mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com>]

 From the context I'm not sure whose comments Mr. Sing found offensive, but 
I'll go ahead and apologize for mine in case anyone took offense.  My 
comment was a bit flippant, but certainly not intended to offend or inflame.

I may be kind of "old school" in this, but I have always felt that if a 
standard satisfied a real need among its user community then it would sell 
itself and not need any marketing (my apologies to Karl, Carol, and the 
other good folks at OASIS!).  Mr. Sing's counterpoint to marketing concerns 
about Gartner was an appropriate reality check.   If the needs of Mr. Sing 
and others like him are met, then the Gartner's of the world will be taken 
care of as well.

Regards,

Mike

At 03:38 AM 9/10/02 +0000, Vijay Sing wrote:
>Dear Sir,
>
>Your words, you know, are very inflamatory and insensitive.
>
>If ebxml is so grand, and has no difficulties, can you tell
>me why then sir do Gartners are not so interested ?
>
>Surely they are good people, with good reputations.
>
>Thank you anyway,
>
>Vijay Sing
>
>>From: Dick Brooks <dick@tech-comm.com>
>>To: "Michael C. Rawlins" <mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com>, 
>>ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>>Subject: RE: Fwd: [ebxml-dev] Gartner and ebXML
>>Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:23:51 -0700
>>
>>Vijay seems to be blaming ebXML for his problems. There are plenty of people
>>using ebXML's Message Service without any difficulty.
>>
>>Perhaps Vijay should consider another vendor.
>>
>>
>>Dick Brooks
>>Systrends, Inc
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>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael C. Rawlins [mailto:mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com]
>>Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:09 PM
>>To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>>Subject: Re: Fwd: [ebxml-dev] Gartner and ebXML
>>
>>
>>I guess we can't count on Vijay to join the ebXML User Council. ;^)
>>
>>At 11:57 PM 9/9/02 +0000, Vijay Sing wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Brian,
>> >
>> >Yes but I've been testing some of the ebxml messaging software
>> >myself here in India and I don't find it to be that reliable.
>> >
>> >In my factory (we have over 220 workers), our technical chap
>> >could not get ebxml to work no matter how hard he tried. So I
>> >fired him in the end.
>> >
>> >When I first heard about ebxml I thought, wow, sounds to be
>> >a wonderful thing. But after all this time, it's still so hard
>> >to get to work. What can anyone say to that ?
>> >
>> >Anyway, we have life to live and what sort of life is to be
>> >always waiting, waiting, waiting..
>> >
>> >You can inform me if you find very nice other programs on
>> >Gartner CD.
>> >
>> >Thank you kindly sir
>> >
>> >Vijay Sing
>> >
>> >>----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>> >>
>> >>Subject: [ebxml-dev] Gartner and ebXML
>> >>Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:55:48 -0500
>> >>From: Brian Repko <brian_repko@hotmail.com>
>> >>To: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
>> >>
>> >>ebXML developers:
>> >>
>> >>Please forward to the marketing forum if more appropriate
>> >>to be there, but I just read through all the presentations
>> >>that are on the latest Gartner CD for Application Integration.
>> >>There was little to no mention of ebXML even in spots where
>> >>it should be mentioned ("there is no standard for reliable
>> >>messaging with web services").
>> >>
>> >>ebXML is clearly NOT winning mindshare with Gartner and if
>> >>you don't get to them, then you don't get to people that can
>> >>make business decisions about it.
>> >>
>> >>Brian Repko
>> >
>> >
>> >
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