RE: ebXML list of participants

[Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org>]

Undoubtedly the list is not 100% accurate, but it's what we've got. With
more planning and resources on Day One we could have created a real
whiz-bang membership database/mail list administrator, but that didn't
happen, and resources that were promised by one of the participating
companies to develop such a scheme a little while later never materialized.

Anyway, as I understand it, the purpose of keeping a list was simply for
publicity purposes, which is served by publishing the list of participants
on the web page. No other use has been made of this list.

So my question remains, simply, do we want to list all subscribers as
"participants"?

</karl>
============================================================
Karl F. Best
OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
978.667.5115 x206
karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris.Ferris@east.sun.com [mailto:Chris.Ferris@east.sun.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:37 PM
> To: Karl Best
> Cc: ebxml-stc@lists.ebxml.org
> Subject: Re: ebXML list of participants
>
>
> Karl,
>
> There was a time when the subscription form did NOT work. I'm
> certain of this because it impeded my own efforts to get
> signed onto the various lists long ago. I also have heard anecdotal
> evidence that the subscription form doesn't work in all cases
> even as recently as the past month or so....
>
> It isn't at all clear to me that the information collected
> from this subscription form is accurate since anyone can
> subscribe to the lists merely by sending an email to the
> *-request@lists.ebxml.org address for the list.
>
> I'm certain that simple word-of-mouth communication of
> this approach must have resulted in some bypassing the
> subscription form.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> Karl Best wrote:
> >
> > Well,it's not an amalgamation of listserv lists, which only have email
> > addresses; it's the name and company name (but not email
> address) of each
> > person who is subscribed. We get this from the innformation
> submitted on the
> > subscription form. We're building some functionality at OASIS
> that could,
> > incidentally, be used to manage this, but this won't be done
> for a while.
> >
> > I'm just wondering about the usefulness of this information on
> the web site.
> > If it's useful we'll devote the labour to make it work; I just
> want to make
> > sure that we should.
> >
> > </karl>
> > ============================================================
> > Karl F. Best
> > OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
> > 978.667.5115 x206
> > karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin W Sachs [mailto:mwsachs@us.ibm.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 2:44 PM
> > > To: Karl Best
> > > Cc: ebxml-awareness@lists.ebxml.org; ebxml-stc@lists.ebxml.org; Karl
> > > Subject: Re: ebXML list of participants
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Karl,
> > >
> > > First of all, if your list of participants is an amalgamation
> of all the
> > > listserver subscriber lists, and you are doing it by hand, I
> support not
> > > doing it by hand. Isn't there a tool that can simply produce a
> > > composite of
> > > all the listserver subscriber lists?
> > >
> > > As to who is really a participant, that's a potential nest of
> > > rattlesnakes.
> > > I doubt that there is an answer.  A composite list of all
> ebXML meeting
> > > attendees would include a lot of lurkers and miss people who
> are active on
> > > email but can't get to meetings.
> > > A composite of the participant lists from the individual
> specifications
> > > would miss people because the teams aren't necessarily
> keeping them up to
> > > date and some team leads (like me) haven't built the list yet.
> > >
> > > I suggest:
> > >
> > >    Automate the composite list of the listserver subscribers if this
> > >    composite list is needed.
> > >
> > >    Build a composite meeting attendee list, labelled as such, if it is
> > >    needed.
> > >
> > >    Otherwise "don't go there".
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Marty
> > >
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *******************
> > >
> > > Martin W. Sachs
> > > IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
> > > P. O. B. 704
> > > Yorktown Hts, NY 10598
> > > 914-784-7287;  IBM tie line 863-7287
> > > Notes address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
> > > Internet address:  mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *******************
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org> on 01/18/2001 02:17:13 PM
> > >
> > > To:   ebxml-awareness@lists.ebxml.org, ebxml-stc@lists.ebxml.org
> > > cc:   Karl <karl.best@oasis-open.org>
> > > Subject:  ebXML list of participants
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OASIS IT staff has been maintaining the ebXML list of participants
> > > (http://www.ebxml.org/participants/participants.htm) by hand,
> and adding
> > > new
> > > names every few weeks. This isn't really a list of people who
> participate,
> > > but rather a list of people who subscribe to any the ebXML
> lists, whether
> > > they particpate or not. (Given the numbers, it's actually a list of
> > > lurkers:
> > > there's ~2000 people on the list, but probably only a couple
> hundred of
> > > those really participate.)
> > >
> > > My question is whether we should make the effort to continue
> to keep this
> > > list current. Over 900 people have subscribed to the mail lists
> > > in the past
> > > five weeks! Do we want those 900 people added (by hand) to the
> > > participants
> > > list? I think anyone who is truly participating has been doing so
> > > for quite
> > > some time, so the people subscribing now are just lurking.
> > >
> > > So, we can either 1) continue to manually add new people to
> the list as
> > > they
> > > subscribe, 2) stop adding people and just leave it where it's
> at today, or
> > > 3) actually come up with a list of participants (defined as what?) and
> > > publish that list on the web page.
> > >
> > > Feedback, please.
> > >
> > > </karl>
> > > ============================================================
> > > Karl F. Best
> > > OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
> > > 978.667.5115 x206
> > > karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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