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Subject: Re: AW: [ebxml-dev] RE: [EDI-L] Article on ebXML Core Components ...
At 07:16 AM 4/25/02, Mike Rawlins wrote: > Interesting. However, it says nothing about receiving POs from > customers, which QB still doesn't do. No customer/internal cross > references for part number or customer ship to locations. Bottom line, > still extremely lacking for any realistic eBusiness. There will be a VERY competitive market of e-business add-ons for Quickbooks. Are you seriously suggesting that none of them will allow Quickbooks to receive an electronic PO?? gtfooh.. :-) Look at the add-ons Mike listed http://www.blocktax.com and the fact 3000 developers have already bucked up $1000 for the Quickbooks developer program when it isn't even usable yet. It is quite possible there will be 100,000 full-time, paid-up Intuit developers on the Quickbooks and new Quickbooks Enterprise. For at least 5 years after ebXML enters the market, SMEs will require a separate, new piece of software which some of us have been calling the "BCM" -business collaboration manager. Why? Because no SME will rip and replace, and because mass market accounting software vendors have never produced anything as specialized as ebXML until they can see at least five-figure additional unit sales for their efforts. It costs many $millions to implement a major new feature in a product like Quickbooks and Peachtree. Whoever creates a really good BCM will blow away all those little Quickboooks developer network guys, and will provide interfaces to multiple SMEs software. Rather like Data Junction did for file conversions, and Hyperion and Comshare did for corporate consolidations. I sense that most members of this list don't want to read more about the SME accounting software market and imagine those Quickbooks programs will be dustbin of history but you're wrong. Let's get serious about the BCM, and what its user interface might look like, what would be its APIs would look like for a full or partial BCM? Let's get some UML diagrams. Do you really want some 800-pound gorilla to be the dominant supplier of BCMs? Well guess who it's going to be, if the ebXML doesn't specify it first, as a community process. I am really amazed this group has not specified the semantics and methods for 'internal integration' between the BCM and internal software over the past two years. Todd Todd Boyle CPA 9745-128th Ave NE Kirkland WA International Accounting Services, LLC www.gldialtone.com 425-827-3107 AR/AP everywhere www.arapxml.net At 07:16 AM 4/25/02, Michael C. Rawlins wrote: >Interesting. However, it says nothing about receiving POs from customers, >which QB still doesn't do. No customer/internal cross references for part >number or customer ship to locations. Bottom line, still extremely >lacking for any realistic eBusiness. > >Mike, a QuickBooks 2002 user > >Sunil wrote: > >>Hey guys, >> >>Look at the Gateway for QuickBooks provided by eByz at www.ebyz.com . they >>have a free evaluation copy. Though this gateway in no way makes use of >>ebxml..it uses standards such as SOAP and UDDI. >> >>Have a look >> >>Sunil >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Rachel Foerster" <rachelf@ix.netcom.com> >>To: "'Todd Boyle'" <tboyle@rosehill.net>; "'Frank. Christopher'" >><C.Frank@seeburger.de>; "'Christopher Harvey'" >><ckharvey@zaratechnology.com.sg>; <mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com> >>Cc: <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:17 PM >>Subject: RE: AW: [ebxml-dev] RE: [EDI-L] Article on ebXML Core Components >>... >> >> >>>Todd, >>> >>>Way to go. But, and this is my beef....if QuickBooks enjoys 80% market >>>share, and I believe it does, then why on earth can't one user of >>QuickBooks >> >>>interoperate with another user of QuickBooks for the electronic exchange >>of >> >>>purchase orders and invoices. Gads, this should be a walk in the part for >>>the developers at Intuit! And furthermore, Quicken and QuickBooks should >>>interoperate as well!!! Child's play!!!! >>> >>>And consider that QuickBooks now does quotes, plus perhaps a couple of >>other >> >>>documents, if Intuit when the route of creating interoperability between >>its >> >>>own products, and using XML/ebXML, Gadzooks!!!! What an idea!!! In Intuit >>>when this way they'd get 100% market share.... >>> >>>Rachel >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Todd Boyle [mailto:tboyle@rosehill.net] >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:26 AM >>>To: Frank. Christopher; Christopher Harvey; mike@rawlinsecconsulting.com >>>Cc: ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org >>>Subject: Re: AW: [ebxml-dev] RE: [EDI-L] Article on ebXML Core >>>Components ... >>> >>> >>>At 01:02 AM 4/23/02, Frank. Christopher wrote: >>> >>>>Onk! >>>> >>>>Following this discussion I (again) get the impression that a huge count >>>>of people is waiting for the 1001st definition of a invoice and the >>>>5096th definition of a purchase order. >>>> >>>>Again (I expect) we will face the reality that even SME will require >>>>branch specific information in their documents and will "interpret" this >>>>or that so or different, will use price including tax and the addition >>>>of tax and net price will not match the total price and so on. >>>In the U.S., Quickbooks has something like 80% market share. >>> >>>How do you explain the fact that such an overwhelming percentage >>>of small businesses are able to run their company with a total >>>vocabulary of something like 200 data elements, and a single page >>>invoice and order? >>> >>>Frank with all due respect, SMEs will *not* have this problem you >>>describe, interpreting documents. You are neglecting the facts that >>>in SMEs there is extreme compression of the roles, and that all >>>of their buying and selling is conducted manually, by people who >>>will be dead if they're not alert. They already conducted the sale >>>or purchase personally and they don't sit and maintain diaries >>>of every detail in their computer, now or ever. >>> >>>It will be a permanent feature of SMEs, that most sales or purchases >>>are conducted by ONE person and that they neither need, nor >>>desire, detailed documentation, detailed contracts, or step- >>>by-step business process software. They just need a way to >>>make their bookkeeping automatic for cash, inventory, payables, >>>and receivables. >>> >>>If large Enterprises have a problem processing a standard PO >>>or invoice with SMEs that's tough luck because SMEs are not >>>going to start doing extra keypunching just to make things >>>more convenient for the Enterprises. >>> >>>I will concede, if the vision of the UMM, CPPA, RegRep and >>>BCPMC were realized in a piece of software, and it were handed >>>to SMEs for free, and it was capable of running alongside the >>>existing accounting system, they might install it. The very >>>first thing they would do is configure it to be limited to their >>>own context (the SME context of 200 words vocabulary), and >>>limit the documents support to orders and invoices capable >>>of being understood by Quickbooks. This is rather like >>>giving Maserati race cars, capable of 300KPH to every >>>suburban family in order to speed up the traffic on the >>>streets where speed limits are never more than 100Kph, >>>since they won't buy it themselves... >>> >>>Todd >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >>>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >>>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl> >> > >-- >Michael C. Rawlins, Rawlins EC Consulting >www.rawlinsecconsulting.com > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The ebxml-dev list is sponsored by OASIS. >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >manager: <http://lists.ebxml.org/ob/adm.pl>
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