[ebxml-dev] WS vs ebXML poll

James,

First of all, I removed your flame from your posting at webservices.org. Really we can all do better with constructive comments.

I may have personal thoughts on your lack of intelligence or attention span, but I prefer not to share them with the world at large. Just more polite that way.

The poll was started in response to a discussion around web services and ebxml at zdnet, and a URL was given for people to read those comments.

That discussion highlighted for me the issue that some people may see ebxml and web services in competition. I took this up with the idea of a poll to see if, yes, I get lots of votes which suggests people do have a view on the issue of web services vs ebXML and two, to generate discussion on the zdnet piece.

Hence the question. Now whether one option is weaker than the other is not something I considered when I made the options. They honestly were meant to be fair and equally balanced. There is always room from comments under all the polls at webservices.org if people don’t find a suitable option and want to let me know, or air their opinions. Until today there has been no comments.

I have seen a few articles that suggest web services and ebXML are in competition from B2B suppliers. I am in fact working with Dieter Jenz on one such article to be published in the next few days which looks at some of the issues. I welcome everyone to come and make their opinions know in the comments section under that article once it is published.

Best regards

colin

-----Original Message-----
From: James Bryce Clark [mailto:jamie.clark@mmiec.com]
Sent: 14 June 2002 14:14
To: gummi@dimonsoftware.com; ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org
Cc: eknorr@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: [ebxml-dev] WS vs ebXML poll

At 05:00 AM 6/14/02, gummi@dimonsoftware.com wrote:

Strange poll,
1) The option "Web Services make more sense" is weaker
   than "ebXML is superior", and therefore likely to
   get votes and
2) I can't see how people can really see these two
   technologies as condradicting, we use web services
   _and_ ebXML, but each for a different purposes.
   Apples and oranges, which is superior?!?

I think you and JJ are exactly right, and posted substantially the same comment to the poll site:

Topic: unparseable ebXML poll
Author: Jamie Clark
Time: 14.06.2002 15:05
What low-attention-span person defined this poll? There is no "versus"; this isn't West Side Story. Web services are not one fixed set of schema owned by somebody. They are a group of open transport, resource discovery and resource description standards. Some have acheived consensus (like SOAP), some are just starting to coalesce (like the resource description candidates), and some are just naked power grabs too recent to assess in terms of market adoption.

I can't vote on ebXML "versus" web services because the first is a subset of the second. So are WS-I, .NET, Sun One, etc., etc. I COULD vote on ebXML versus WS-I, the vendor-centric effort to tie the market to IBM-Microsoft-Verisign products and proprietary security algorithms ... but that wasn't your poll.

Jamie Clark
ebXML participant and partisan, e-commerce lawyer, and guy who doesn't sell any software

Of course, it was nice to see that we got voluntary support from a bunch of voters anyway.

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