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Subject: Re: What do people really expect from ebXML? Answer: Saving theEarth??

I'm waiting for pornography and gambling to signal
ebXML's entry into the consumer mainstream applications.
It worked for the web : )

Eric Chiu, author/certified J2EE architect
Imservice, Inc (www.imservice.com)
Office  775-355-8200
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lyon <djlyon@one.net.au>
To: <ebxml-core@lists.ebxml.org>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: What do people really expect from ebXML? Answer: Saving

> William,
> You demonstrate that you're obviously an intelligent chap and I have no
> issue with your comments on forestation in the U.S.  I'm sure you'd agree
> though that it would be extremely advantagious if we could all receive our
> bills electronically on our computer, rather than as paper shoved through
> our letterboxes. It's just so unneccessary as a long term proposition.
> I take it one step further, and would just like some sort of console (like
> an ATM) on the wall in the hall. All the bills go there, and I can track
> pay them. I see ebXML as the key to this sort of technology becoming
> widespread.
> EDI possibly could have done this, but I think the software got hijacked
> software people who become fixated on the workings of translators. For
> whatever reason(s), it is time to move on now and go into the future,
> is mainly going to be dominated by microdevices.
> Microdevices, hopefully running ebXML, certainly could (and already are)
> transforming small business.
> Real Estate agents use digital cameras and color printers, and have
> 1,000Mflop computers. Even big business had trouble affording that sort of
> stuff ten years ago. Last week, I was delivered a parcel, and signed for
> on a digital touchpad.
> I'm not bamboozled by this technology, I'm embracing it, and saying that
> ebXML is surely destined for devices like the Linux wristwatch by IBM, or
> console in the car, or in the hallway at home.
> I think want to make ebXML be able to order Pizza and Videos, and collect
> parking and petrol receipts.
> The only way to do this is to get it off fixed location backoffice servers
> and onto the dedicated hardware where it belongs.
> With regard to SMEs, they are remarkably well equiped now. It's simply
> amazing what technology can be bought with just a few hundred dollars.
> Yes, you are correct, ebXML needs to be focused on providing a technical
> framework to allow all the PeachTrees, QuickBooks and so forth to work
> together.
> Take care
> David Lyon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William J. Kammerer <wkammerer@foresightcorp.com>
> To: ebXML-core <ebxml-core@lists.ebxml.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: What do people really expect from ebXML? Answer: Saving
> theEarth??
> > David Lyon tells us that "...at least 500 acres of trees get knocked
> > down each day to make paper for receipts. Something totally needless in
> > an electronic world.... People *expect* that ebXML will do something
> > about providing solutions that will slow down the very real carnage that
> > is going on in the world. It's possible that people in America may have
> > disposed themselves of the Kioto treaties, but the rest of the world
> > hasn't."
> >
> > Saving the environment is a heap o' responsibility to be placed on
> > ebXML.  But in any case, since the U.S. alone is covered with over 700
> > million acres of forest (almost a third of its land area), we'll have
> > lots of receipt printing at 500 acres a day before we make a dent in
> > that total - which had *increased* by over 50% since 1920 as America
> > became more industrial and urban, abandoning its farmland. Actually,
> > there's only a third less forest here now than when European settlement
> > began.  But, then again, something - besides Native American Indians -
> > had to be moved out of the way to accommodate over 280 million people.
> >
> > Before we get too far off-topic, we should address David's concerns,
> > recapped as: "...ebXML should deliver something simple that small
> > businesses who cannot even afford PC's (now $600) can use."  This seems
> > to be a shared sentiment, as evidenced by my good friend Alan Kotok's
> > agreement with David that "...we have to think beyond the desktop system
> > to hand-held devices."
> >
> > I have no objection to bringing everyone into the e-commerce fold,
> > certainly.  But there probably is a point of diminishing returns.  David
> > made the point that the cost of a PC is not the problem, but whether
> > "people in small business can [even] use a PC."  But please remember:
> > SME doesn't mean "moron."  Most of whom we refer to as SMEs are probably
> > automated to some degree and do have Internet access - they just don't
> > want to jack around with translators and EDI.  They, as Todd Boyle has
> > pointed out so often, do have Quick Books, Peachtree, or suchlike.
> >
> > By applying the 80-20 rule, we just might bring most of the SMEs on
> > board.  That would be an unqualified success.
> >
> > William J. Kammerer
> > 4950 Blazer Pkwy.
> > Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305
> > +1 614 791-1600
> >
> > Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at http://www.foresightcorp.com/
> > "accelerating time-to-trade"
> >
> >
> >
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